Argentina v All Blacks
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Good first up win, after a shaky first play. I don't want to be too negative but what the fuck was up with that? Clear from the first ruck, don't create a second and then pass to a player in a worse position for a kick.
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I wouldn't have Frizzell usually, but he got a go today and was solid, fair play to him. He might have earned another shot next week.
I think it's the best test that he's played or his publicist TJ just convinced us of it by mentioning how well he was playing constantly (and on occasion assigning stuff to him that Savea had done).
@Duluth said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I deleted a couple of posts that were talking only about the Aussie/Saffa result as this game kicked off. It spoiled the result for me but I wasn't surprised I saw it in this thread
Pissed me off they spoiled it in the commentary.
Now for the fun read back through the thread.
@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Good first up win, after a shaky first play. I don't want to be too negative but what the fuck was up with that? Clear from the first ruck, don't create a second and then pass to a player in a worse position for a kick.
Not helped by Nugget's foot slipping
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@antipodean said in Argentina v All Blacks:
I'd prefer Smith's service to Christies too.
The drop-off was really big. Would prefer Weber.
Or Fakatava.
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
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How much trouble is Cane going to be in for this? https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1677877074122670081?s=19
@SouthernMann said in Argentina v All Blacks:
How much trouble is Cane going to be in for this? https://twitter.com/AndrewGourdie/status/1677877074122670081?s=19
None, surely.
Good on him!
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@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
Yeah, hopefully with another week in camp he'll start to settle in and be ready to take the bench spot, as on ability alone he's pretty clearly our 2nd best HB right now.
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@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
I wouldn't take that too seriously - Roigard's his Hurricanes teammate and it looked like a joke.
I reckon there's a decent chance we'll see a couple of new caps on the bench this week and Roigard is a good chance of being one.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/30/new-kit-new-levels-and-a-new-ipad-for-rookie-all-black-roigard/
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Yeahtheboys said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
Something that was obvious to some of us years ago....
The naysayers also saw his poor super season as further proof of his lack of suitability in the position. I pointed to the fact that the canes never deployed him in a conventional 10-12-13 axis, preferring to have forwards running in the backline
@canefan said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Yeahtheboys said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Jordie Barrett finally moving to 12 could potentially be the winning of this World Cup. The options he offers our attack and his defence will be the difference in the big games.
All blacks should be doing a 6-2 split on the bench with all the versatility in the backline of everyone playing heaps of positions. Just one normal back to cover injuries and a lot of short hard impacts in the forwards
Something that was obvious to some of us years ago....
The naysayers also saw his poor super season as further proof of his lack of suitability in the position. I pointed to the fact that the canes never deployed him in a conventional 10-12-13 axis, preferring to have forwards running in the backline
Yeah I just ignored that shit. There are countless examples of established ABs phoning it in at Super level before things go up a notch in black. Another 12, Nonu is probably the very best example of that.
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What a friggen hiding, awesome start to the season. Stoked to see that backline go so well, DMac-Jordie-Rieko with Beauden organising things from the back is seriously threatening if the forwards get any sort of parity. They will only get better with more time together. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over Beauden's selection at 15 was OTT, as expected, he's still world class at the back and his experience will be crucial at the RWC.
Mo'unga should be able to slot into that formation as well, but he needs to be taking the ball at first receiver more than he has in the past the same way DMac does. Our 10 has to be directing play at test level, not always looking for mis-matches out wide that generally don't exist.
We definitely got some momentum on the EOYT, so great to see us continue to build on that. An in form DMac adds a lot to the team as well, whether at 10, 15 or the bench.
The weekends results set up an absolute cracker of a test against SA - bring it on!
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
What a friggen hiding, awesome start to the season. Stoked to see that backline go so well, DMac-Jordie-Rieko with Beauden organising things from the back is seriously threatening if the forwards get any sort of parity. They will only get better with more time together. The wailing and gnashing of teeth over Beauden's selection at 15 was OTT, as expected, he's still world class at the back and his experience will be crucial at the RWC.
Mo'unga should be able to slot into that formation as well, but he needs to be taking the ball at first receiver more than he has in the past the same way DMac does. Our 10 has to be directing play at test level, not always looking for mis-matches out wide that generally don't exist.
We definitely got some momentum on the EOYT, so great to see us continue to build on that. An in form DMac adds a lot to the team as well, whether at 10, 15 or the bench.
The weekends results set up an absolute cracker of a test against SA - bring it on!
Mmm.. would love to see Jordan at the back rather than BB. He would provide everything BB has at this stage but with the knack of getting the bounce of the ball that BB had 5 years ago. Clarke played OK but LF or Telea offer so much more.
And Williams for Lualala. Both Ofa and Wiliams play both sides. It would be interesting to see who plays where. Having said that, I'll understand the need for Lualala's scrumming against the Boks if he is selected. -
@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Remember when Richie was hailed a hero for dropping an elbow into that fat Saffa, now Cane does his best to preempt that situation and protect the ref and it's now an issue to some.
Richie pulled him off but AJ Venter was the one who punched him.
@Frank said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Remember when Richie was hailed a hero for dropping an elbow into that fat Saffa, now Cane does his best to preempt that situation and protect the ref and it's now an issue to some.
Richie pulled him off but AJ Venter was the one who punched him.
Facts have no business on the Fern.
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@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia Yeah he was solid. A 7 out of 10 performance for me. The commentators made out like it was prime Kaino out there which it wasn't, but he did a decent enough job.
I reckon Fozzie and Ryan will be delighted with Frizell.
He was doing exactly what I think he's picked for - providing a tall and effective third lineout option, making his tackles and trucking the ball up one off the ruck and securely recycling. Got himself around the park and a few nice little touches e.g. in the first try, as well.
Hey TJ. The trick now is to see if he can do it again.
I reckon Kaino would've been pleased with himself to have played as well as Shannon did today!
Your job, in future, is to correct anyone who comes out with the outrageous line that Frizell has never had a good test, so that I don't have to be called TJ.
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia Yeah he was solid. A 7 out of 10 performance for me. The commentators made out like it was prime Kaino out there which it wasn't, but he did a decent enough job.
I reckon Fozzie and Ryan will be delighted with Frizell.
He was doing exactly what I think he's picked for - providing a tall and effective third lineout option, making his tackles and trucking the ball up one off the ruck and securely recycling. Got himself around the park and a few nice little touches e.g. in the first try, as well.
Hey TJ. The trick now is to see if he can do it again.
I reckon Kaino would've been pleased with himself to have played as well as Shannon did today!
Your job, in future, is to correct anyone who comes out with the outrageous line that Frizell has never had a good test, so that I don't have to be called TJ.
Jesus TJ, if you keep making calls like this we'll be permanently calling you TJ. That was early career Kaino at best.
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From a PR perspective it creates unnecessary noise. The pitch invader is a dickhead. As a player his role is to ignore what goes on around him and let the officials deal with it.
@SouthernMann said in Argentina v All Blacks:
From a PR perspective it creates unnecessary noise. The pitch invader is a dickhead. As a player his role is to ignore what goes on around him and let the officials deal with it.
I agree. He should have hugged him and given him a medal.
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We do all know there is a kind of middle ground right? One that doesn’t involve glorifying the twat with a medal, but also doesn’t run the risk of injuring the fuckwit - or worse, injuring Cane himself.
Grabbing his collar maybe? A gentle tackle? A push? Or even just an ignore.
At the end of the day, I also hope Cane doesn’t get any censure. But there is no escaping the fact that it was a heat of the moment stupid thing to do.
NZ captains sometimes just can’t help themselves when the opportunity arises to trip someone eh?
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I see the PC arseholes are having a go at Sam Cane for dealing with someone who had no right to be on the field of play. I’ve no issue with the All Black Captain looking after his players. What if the bloke running past security had been carrying a knife?
Hats off to Sam, a great leader and a worthy captain of the greatest sports team in the world.
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@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Chris-B said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@African-Monkey said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Nepia Yeah he was solid. A 7 out of 10 performance for me. The commentators made out like it was prime Kaino out there which it wasn't, but he did a decent enough job.
I reckon Fozzie and Ryan will be delighted with Frizell.
He was doing exactly what I think he's picked for - providing a tall and effective third lineout option, making his tackles and trucking the ball up one off the ruck and securely recycling. Got himself around the park and a few nice little touches e.g. in the first try, as well.
Hey TJ. The trick now is to see if he can do it again.
I reckon Kaino would've been pleased with himself to have played as well as Shannon did today!
Your job, in future, is to correct anyone who comes out with the outrageous line that Frizell has never had a good test, so that I don't have to be called TJ.
Jesus TJ, if you keep making calls like this we'll be permanently calling you TJ. That was early career Kaino at best.
@Nepia Here's some guy called Reece Labuschagne who will really annoy you...
Carried with bad intention, committing several Argentine defenders in a performance All Blacks great Jerome Kaino would've been proud of.
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@Nepia Here's some guy called Reece Labuschagne who will really annoy you...
Carried with bad intention, committing several Argentine defenders in a performance All Blacks great Jerome Kaino would've been proud of.
@Chris-B by my reckoning Frizell has had 2 half-decent games out of 25. If he continues to be selected, then hopefully his next one will be in the quarter final. Though based on his average to date, his next decent game will be in 12.5 tests, so more likely next year some time.
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The worst part about the Cane clip is the security guard chasing STILL doesn't get him even after the epic foot trip! Terrible stuff.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
The worst part about the Cane clip is the security guard chasing STILL doesn't get him even after the epic foot trip! Terrible stuff.
The problem with a lot of ground security across the world is that it’s private companies who don’t necessarily recruit for fitness, pace and sprinting ability.
Some years ago at the MCG they had Victorian police doing the ground security and they always had the fit cops who could chase. Now it’s private security.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina v All Blacks:
@Machpants said in Argentina v All Blacks:
But really Roigard please, give him a crack
Someone mentioned on here that Coles(?) had said he was taking time to settle in. Maybe that will influence his debut, but Christie has gone backwards IMHO and doesn't offer much.
Yeah, hopefully with another week in camp he'll start to settle in and be ready to take the bench spot, as on ability alone he's pretty clearly our 2nd best HB right now.
@No-Quarter said in Argentina v All Blacks:
Yeah, hopefully with another week in camp he'll start to settle in and be ready to take the bench spot, as on ability alone he's pretty clearly our 2nd best HB right now.
Huge potential and def. hope a bench spot next week over Christie. I do wonder if Foster & Co. made the wrong choice between Christie & Weber
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We need to give game time to potential gems Tamaiti Williams, Cameron Roigard and Samipeni Finau. Potent. Sir Foz has gained huge BPs but this needs to happen. At least 20 mins off the bench
