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  • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

    @taniwharugby i stand corrected, very much the minority opinion i feel though

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    @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

    @taniwharugby i stand corrected, very much the minority opinion i feel though

    Minority of 1

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      A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

      Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

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      • DuluthD Duluth

        @taniwharugby

        @sparky has had some interesting takes since the SF loss haha

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        @Duluth I have always had some interesting takes. 😉

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        • FrankF Frank

          I read Sotutu was not selected for the NZ XV last year?
          Perhaps those issues (and there must have been major ones with either his playing style or attitude) still linger.

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          @Frank Wasn't Hoskins selected for the AB XV last year but turned it down?

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          • DuluthD Duluth

            A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

            Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

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            Kiwiwomble
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            #4329

            @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

            A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

            Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

            you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

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            • sparkyS sparky

              @Frank Wasn't Hoskins selected for the AB XV last year but turned it down?

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              @sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

              @Frank Wasn't Hoskins selected for the AB XV last year but turned it down?

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300908767/double-demotion-for-hoskins-sotutu-as-blues-no-8-misses-secondstring-abs-xv-squad

              No mention of Sotutu turning anything down

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                No, he just wasn't selected. Didn't want to talk to the coaches that thought 12 loose forwards were better than him, including some VERY ordinary players.

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                • canefanC canefan

                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @Frank Wasn't Hoskins selected for the AB XV last year but turned it down?

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300908767/double-demotion-for-hoskins-sotutu-as-blues-no-8-misses-secondstring-abs-xv-squad

                  No mention of Sotutu turning anything down

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                  #4332

                  @canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @sparky said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                  @Frank Wasn't Hoskins selected for the AB XV last year but turned it down?

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300908767/double-demotion-for-hoskins-sotutu-as-blues-no-8-misses-secondstring-abs-xv-squad

                  No mention of Sotutu turning anything down

                  The quoting function makes it appear like I said it when it was sparky

                  Nothing worse than an apparent misattribution on a Tuesday afternoon surrounded by screaming kids.

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                  • KirwanK Kirwan

                    No, he just wasn't selected. Didn't want to talk to the coaches that thought 12 loose forwards were better than him, including some VERY ordinary players.

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                    @Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                    No, he just wasn't selected. Didn't want to talk to the coaches that thought 12 loose forwards were better than him, including some VERY ordinary players.

                    What the hell went wrong that year?

                    Seriously................something must have happened or been amiss.

                    Duluth said there was an apparent personality clash but it was indicated that that was ironed out pretty early on.

                    There must be a part of his game they didn't like.

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                      Daffy Jaffy
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                      • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                        Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                        you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

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                        antipodean
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                        #4335

                        @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                        A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                        Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                        you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                        Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

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                        • antipodeanA antipodean

                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                          Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                          you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                          Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

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                          Frank
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                          #4336

                          @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                          A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                          Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                          you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                          Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

                          Yeah, he's a bloody good selector of loose forwards is Razor.

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                          • frugbyF frugby

                            Sotutu's reaction to missing the squad last year I'm sure has done him no favours. If they already see him sitting behind Ardie, and see him as a specialist 8, maybe they have decided that he is not the man they want in the environment.

                            I don't actually believe Razor and Jase Ryan think Sititi is a better player right now, this is clearly more nuanced than that.

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                            DaGrubster
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                            @frugby

                            You mean about this ‘not returning a phone call’?

                            I think that is ridiculous it was even made public.

                            A 24 yr old young man, had his career aspirations crushed by a punitive decision to not even include him in a AB squad, meaning he won’t make the RWC squad and not even get in the 2nd team.

                            It was also a decision that had a major financial impact on him.

                            It would have him thinking if he had a future in NZ or if he needed to look overseas.

                            But somehow, it’s all his fault because He didn’t return a phone call within 48 hours of having his world completely thrown into turmoil.

                            It’s complete bullshit

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                            • FrankF Frank

                              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                              Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                              you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                              Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

                              Yeah, he's a bloody good selector of loose forwards is Razor.

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                              KiwiMurph
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                              #4338

                              @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                              A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                              Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                              you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                              Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

                              Yeah, he's a bloody good selector of loose forwards is Razor.

                              At Super level. Hopefully it translates to tests and we will be in business.

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                              • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                                Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                                you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                                Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

                                Yeah, he's a bloody good selector of loose forwards is Razor.

                                At Super level. Hopefully it translates to tests and we will be in business.

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                                canefan
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                                #4339

                                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Frank said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @antipodean said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                @Duluth said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                A little bit of shit stirring from a paywalled Rattue article. So given the source I'd take it with a grain salt..

                                Savea is popular with the players but Robertson and him were not on the same page. Scott Barrett was genuinely unsure if he'd take the job (presumably because Ardie is popular?) That's why Whitelock was floated as returning and he would've been captain

                                you have to wonder in what way were they not on the same page

                                Razor wanted his loose forwards to hit rucks.

                                Yeah, he's a bloody good selector of loose forwards is Razor.

                                At Super level. Hopefully it translates to tests and we will be in business.

                                Not only selector, he needs to coach his group up and make them better as a team and as individuals

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                                  Yeah looks, I could understand these project/injury selections if it was in the wider squad for the RC/EOYT....but it's for a two test series against a RWC semi finalist with two weeks build up.

                                  I was hoping the era of mealy mouthed bullshit excuses had come to an end, it's disappointing and frustrating to feel that same old same old.

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                                    chchfanatic
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                                    Did Savea actually want the job. Maybe he told Razor he didn’t want the pressure and so he went with Scooter.
                                    Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak

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                                      Machpants
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                                      Yeah I know in my job I'd have been let off the hook if I didn't get the promotion I wanted and ignored the boss for days. I mean at 24 you can't expect to be an adult! 🙄

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                                      • C chchfanatic

                                        Did Savea actually want the job. Maybe he told Razor he didn’t want the pressure and so he went with Scooter.
                                        Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak

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                                        Kiwiwomble
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                                        @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                        Did Savea actually want the job. Maybe he told Razor he didn’t want the pressure and so he went with Scooter.
                                        Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak

                                        whats wrong with his Instagram post?

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                                        • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                          @chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:

                                          Did Savea actually want the job. Maybe he told Razor he didn’t want the pressure and so he went with Scooter.
                                          Sotutu showing his true colours with his instagram post. Suck up your non selection and be better. You obviously didn’t listen to the work ons Razor gave you. He challenged you and now you’ve cried over your non selection. You’ve shown him he was right for not selecting you. Mentally weak

                                          whats wrong with his Instagram post?

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                                          @Kiwiwomble I thought "Most hated" was a reference to people who don't like the Blues, not the ABs selectors.

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