All Blacks 2024
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I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury. Better coaches would figure out how to get the best out of all of their players, e.g. Cotter and Henry, rather than cast them aside with vague comments about "work-ons" despite them dominating at Super level.
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I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury. Better coaches would figure out how to get the best out of all of their players, e.g. Cotter and Henry, rather than cast them aside with vague comments about "work-ons" despite them dominating at Super level.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury.
Wasn't Sititi deputy head boy at De La Salle College Māngere East?
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i really dont understand how eligibility works, whats the stand down? next ear seems very quick
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury.
Wasn't Sititi deputy head boy at De La Salle College Māngere East?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury.
Wasn't Sititi deputy head boy at De La Salle College Māngere East?
and U20 Blues captain. May have been head boy - not sure.
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There's nothing so complex and discriminatory. Razor just loves dimples and Christopher Reeves jawlines.
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The other odd thing about this team is that in the area's we lack depth they've chosen to not build any or give anyone a chance.
We need depth at lock and first 5, locks we have scooter, Vaai and PT. Scooter world class, the latter two struggled to impose themselves on the international game, both are long in the tooth.
At first 5 we selected Dmac and BB - no oppertunity forwarded to anyone else.
This seems like a lost oppertunity to build some, any kind of depth but the selections say they simply aren't interested.
Also apparently Perofeta is the best FB in the country - boy have our stocks fallen.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury.
Wasn't Sititi deputy head boy at De La Salle College Māngere East?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I wouldn't put racism down as the reason for selections, but there is probably a culture clash between the boys from South Auckland and the coaches from Canterbury.
Wasn't Sititi deputy head boy at De La Salle College Māngere East?
Head boy? Sounds like he was a goody two shoes
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@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
So just hearing that Cullen Grace is also in Wellington if true that makes 41
Cullen Grace was named in the Maori squad?
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
So just hearing that Cullen Grace is also in Wellington if true that makes 41
Cullen Grace was named in the Maori squad?
Yeah he is I thought they are already training they play this Saturday.
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The other odd thing about this team is that in the area's we lack depth they've chosen to not build any or give anyone a chance.
We need depth at lock and first 5, locks we have scooter, Vaai and PT. Scooter world class, the latter two struggled to impose themselves on the international game, both are long in the tooth.
At first 5 we selected Dmac and BB - no oppertunity forwarded to anyone else.
This seems like a lost oppertunity to build some, any kind of depth but the selections say they simply aren't interested.
Also apparently Perofeta is the best FB in the country - boy have our stocks fallen.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
The other odd thing about this team is that in the area's we lack depth they've chosen to not build any or give anyone a chance.
We need depth at lock and first 5, locks we have scooter, Vaai and PT. Scooter world class, the latter two struggled to impose themselves on the international game, both are long in the tooth.
At first 5 we selected Dmac and BB - no oppertunity forwarded to anyone else.
This seems like a lost oppertunity to build some, any kind of depth but the selections say they simply aren't interested.
Also apparently Perofeta is the best FB in the country - boy have our stocks fallen.
People complain about the selections of Bell and Sititi over more established players, and then moan when young players aren't picked in other positions. Clearly they don't rate Darry that highly, the two best young locks (Lord and Holland) are unavailable. Simply put there is not a young first five who is yet close to ABs standard. The only young 10 who got any consistent game time at 10 in Super Rugby was Cam Millar, and he is miles off the ABs.
As for Perofeta, he is surely keeping Will Jordan's jersey warm.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
The other odd thing about this team is that in the area's we lack depth they've chosen to not build any or give anyone a chance.
We need depth at lock and first 5, locks we have scooter, Vaai and PT. Scooter world class, the latter two struggled to impose themselves on the international game, both are long in the tooth.
At first 5 we selected Dmac and BB - no oppertunity forwarded to anyone else.
This seems like a lost oppertunity to build some, any kind of depth but the selections say they simply aren't interested.
Also apparently Perofeta is the best FB in the country - boy have our stocks fallen.
People complain about the selections of Bell and Sititi over more established players, and then moan when young players aren't picked in other positions. Clearly they don't rate Darry that highly, the two best young locks (Lord and Holland) are unavailable. Simply put there is not a young first five who is yet close to ABs standard. The only young 10 who got any consistent game time at 10 in Super Rugby was Cam Millar, and he is miles off the ABs.
As for Perofeta, he is surely keeping Will Jordan's jersey warm.
@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
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@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
I think the selectors would probably tell you though, they don't see Darry and Plummer at the level needed anyway. I think if they rated Darry as a potential talent, he'd be in over Vaa'i, let alone as a fourth lock. If they rated and wanted to get Plummer in the environment, they'd have either picked a bigger squad, or left out one of the wingers.
The difference is, they see Bell and Sititi as being a big part of the future.
Darry is probably rated below Lord and Holland for right or for wrong.
There is a more legitimate argument for Plummer, because all the other young 10s around don't look anywhere close to the ABs.
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@Windows97 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby You seem to be intentionally missing the point here - at first 5 and lock we have no established players to replace and the area's you need to build depth are where you throw in young guys to give them a chance.
We don't lack potential at hooker, nor at 8. I'm glad Sititi got a shot to build depth at 8.
We have a terrible lack of depth at lock and at first 5 we are relying on Dmac and BB who's best days seem to have ended in 2015 which is almost 10 years ago now...
Lets just put it this way if Plummer and Darry had been named in the squad I barely say it would have caused a ripple. As compared to Bell making the team.
I think the selectors would probably tell you though, they don't see Darry and Plummer at the level needed anyway. I think if they rated Darry as a potential talent, he'd be in over Vaa'i, let alone as a fourth lock. If they rated and wanted to get Plummer in the environment, they'd have either picked a bigger squad, or left out one of the wingers.
The difference is, they see Bell and Sititi as being a big part of the future.
Darry is probably rated below Lord and Holland for right or for wrong.
There is a more legitimate argument for Plummer, because all the other young 10s around don't look anywhere close to the ABs.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
That doesn't say inaccurate, or ineffective. He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen or Cane in my opinion. It's Savea (and Cane) that has been upsetting the balance of the loosies.
I would struggle to pick him given the injuries and lack of game time, but he is a good player with a big motor who hits hard, and I can see why coaches like him. He's far more Norm Maxwell than the Reuben Thorne someone accused him of being earlier. -
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Ethan's games as AB
13 Nov vs Ireland at Dublin 20-29The starting loose forward trio in this game was Blackadder-Papalii-Savea.
that Ireland game:
- Ethan Blackadder – 6
A big day at the office in defence with 20 tackles and plenty of starch in the trenches. Was penalised on a late hit hit on Sexton, it was obvious the blacks were trying to put the fly-half off his game. No work with the ball in hand and really needed to be given more of a chance to get some go forward. Off at 61.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-ireland-autumn-nations-series/
That sounds about right. Busy, but inaccurate and not all that effective against the bigger packs. Offers zero with ball in hand which is a bit of a problem in the modern game. I'm just really battling to see how he can get selected every chance without any sort of body of work at even Super level let alone test? Is there someone in the know that can actually speak to why he is so favoured that they'd upset the balance of loosies selected just to make room for him?
That doesn't say inaccurate, or ineffective. He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen or Cane in my opinion. It's Savea (and Cane) that has been upsetting the balance of the loosies.
I would struggle to pick him given the injuries and lack of game time, but he is a good player with a big motor who hits hard, and I can see why coaches like him. He's far more Norm Maxwell than the Reuben Thorne someone accused him of being earlier.@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
He offers considerably more ball in hand than Papalii or Jacobsen
Gold
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Bovidae Potentially, but if we have learned one thing from Jase Ryan, it is that he likes specialists... the way I see it Finau and Blackadder are the blindsides, Papalii and Jacobson (Who is probably holding the spot of Cane) are the opensides, and Savea and Sititi are the number eights.
Sotutu is unique in being a specialist 8, but I doubt that is why he missed selection.
if people who keep telling me Ardie is an 8 no longer a 7 are correct then Sotutu is not unique...
Yeah again, the Sotutu can only play 8 thing is just an excuse. Surely he could play 6? I reckon he's played 6 before....
