All Blacks 2024
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
My argument is more that by picking four wingers rather than an extra 10, when BB is probably the backup 15, that you could argue they don't rate Plummer?
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Clarke most likely miss both England tests now
whats his injury?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Clarke most likely miss both England tests now
whats his injury?
Fell over while out jogging
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
My argument is more that by picking four wingers rather than an extra 10, when BB is probably the backup 15, that you could argue they don't rate Plummer?
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
My argument is more that by picking four wingers rather than an extra 10, when BB is probably the backup 15, that you could argue they don't rate Plummer?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Given Clarke was not 100% fit after the final a 4th winger makes more sense than Plummer as a 3rd choice 10 with BB, DMac, Perofeta already in the squad.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
My argument is more that by picking four wingers rather than an extra 10, when BB is probably the backup 15, that you could argue they don't rate Plummer?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Given Clarke was not 100% fit after the final a 4th winger makes more sense than Plummer as a 3rd choice 10 with BB, DMac, Perofeta already in the squad.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
First Fives, McKenzie and Barrett viewed as the only legitimate options, in my mind they don't rate Plummer, Cameron etc. as viable options right now, and don't view Millar etc. to have done enough to yet show they are worth having in the squad like they have done with Bell.
I'm not sure I buy this exactly. There's a bit more to it for this particular squad.
For example - in this squad make up without Jordan - if you assume they want to run DMac at 10 then Perofeta is the next fullback option if Beauden goes down.
If they picked Plummer he would be 3rd in line at 10.
Perofeta's ability to play fullback gives him the edge over Plummer.
I would like to see Plummer given the opportunity to cover 15 as he is a superior 10 but time will tell.
If anything Perofeta has been picked as a 15 because he can cover 10, not the other way around.
That's essentially my point. By picking Perofeta at 15 I don't see that as them saying they don't rate Plummer as a 10.
My argument is more that by picking four wingers rather than an extra 10, when BB is probably the backup 15, that you could argue they don't rate Plummer?
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Given Clarke was not 100% fit after the final a 4th winger makes more sense than Plummer as a 3rd choice 10 with BB, DMac, Perofeta already in the squad.
Plummer is about twice to a hundred times better at ten than perofeta, love the same at 15. he's a fkn liability and if he ends up on the field he will be found out
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Maybe it's the one eyed Canes fan in me but I feel like Lakai has been doing for 2 years what Sititi did for 2 months.
Not saying Sititi doesn't deserve it, far from it. But wonder why they went that way over Lakai.
@foobaNZ said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Maybe it's the one eyed Canes fan in me but I feel like Lakai has been doing for 2 years what Sititi did for 2 months.
Not saying Sititi doesn't deserve it, far from it. But wonder why they went that way over Lakai.
Can see more physicality in Sititi. Can See Lakai being the long term 7 though.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Locks, Lord is injured, Holland is unavailable, they don't rate the other options so therefore only picked three. Darry is there as cover, but only as the next best option because they have to have someone. If they rated him, he'd have been picked in the squad, because picking three locks is absolutely braindead.
I think what they’ve done there is perfectly understandable. If they rate Lord (which I think they do) then they won’t necessarily want to bring Darry in ‘officially’ yet.
Plus they have Finau in the squad who is more than capable of covering lock for in game options if required. Again with a smaller squad those calls have to be made.
In a 36 man squad they pick another prop, lock, loosie and 10/utility back
32 is an arbitrary number though... if they really rated him, they could have picked 33.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Locks, Lord is injured, Holland is unavailable, they don't rate the other options so therefore only picked three. Darry is there as cover, but only as the next best option because they have to have someone. If they rated him, he'd have been picked in the squad, because picking three locks is absolutely braindead.
I think what they’ve done there is perfectly understandable. If they rate Lord (which I think they do) then they won’t necessarily want to bring Darry in ‘officially’ yet.
Plus they have Finau in the squad who is more than capable of covering lock for in game options if required. Again with a smaller squad those calls have to be made.
In a 36 man squad they pick another prop, lock, loosie and 10/utility back
32 is an arbitrary number though... if they really rated him, they could have picked 33.
It’s not that arbitrary because it does have budget and other implications
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I've been watching random modern ish games from the last few years on youtube, fuck me it is so annoying the amount of possession we kick away for no reward in chips and kick passes. Yes they were great even further back in time, but every team has been ready for it since mid 2010s. STOP IT!
/rant
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I've been watching random modern ish games from the last few years on youtube, fuck me it is so annoying the amount of possession we kick away for no reward in chips and kick passes. Yes they were great even further back in time, but every team has been ready for it since mid 2010s. STOP IT!
/rant
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I've been watching random modern ish games from the last few years on youtube, fuck me it is so annoying the amount of possession we kick away for no reward in chips and kick passes. Yes they were great even further back in time, but every team has been ready for it since mid 2010s. STOP IT!
/rant
I’d avoid Luke MacAllister videos then…..
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I've been watching random modern ish games from the last few years on youtube, fuck me it is so annoying the amount of possession we kick away for no reward in chips and kick passes. Yes they were great even further back in time, but every team has been ready for it since mid 2010s. STOP IT!
/rant
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
I've been watching random modern ish games from the last few years on youtube, fuck me it is so annoying the amount of possession we kick away for no reward in chips and kick passes. Yes they were great even further back in time, but every team has been ready for it since mid 2010s. STOP IT!
/rant
I'd like to see more of Jordie Barretts long kicks.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
have met three of my work deadlines today and yesterday, and then have one more on Tuesday
Please keep us further updated
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
have met three of my work deadlines today and yesterday, and then have one more on Tuesday
Please keep us further updated
Completed all deadlines successfully, had fight with Chair of the AB over one of the reports, can't wait to be able to get rid of her this time next year.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
have met three of my work deadlines today and yesterday, and then have one more on Tuesday
Please keep us further updated
Completed all deadlines successfully, had fight with Chair of the AB over one of the reports, can't wait to be able to get rid of her this time next year.
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Mounga finally talks about being an All Black again
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"With Luke Jacobson included as loose forward cover on the bench, Robertson indicated blindside contender Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
Who was the original Food bill on the Fern? Was it Mark Ranby?
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"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles? -
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?Or crystal
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?Or crystal
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?Or crystal
Maverick?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?Or crystal
Maverick?
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
"Ethan Blackadder and wing Caleb Clarke are carrying niggly injuries."
How many games before Blackadder's nickname becomes Niggles?Or crystal
Maverick?
Balsa
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Oh leave poor Glassadder alone!
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Voerman presuming Barrett or Perofeta will start the Fiji match.
Would there really be any reason to rest Mckenzie? There's a three week break till the next test after Fiji, and the longest run of consecutive tests is five, to finish the year.
I can see the point of bringing another player in at 10 vs Fiji to ensure they're up to running the cutter in Robertson's scheme, but Barrett shouldn't need to have a sample game after 124 caps. If Perofeta is a fullback and to be replaced by Jordan when he comes available, neither should he.
I see more value in continuity learning the new system, especially in a lower pressure game where more risks can be taken.
We've still got Australia and Japan to come if we need to introduce another 10 to the game plan later.
