All Blacks 2024
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@voodoo yep and I think when you look at that 1st 5 crisis thread, if you think we had Smith-DC-Nonu-Smith, 4 greats of our game together alot of the time, any that follow will always be poorer...I mean all 4 could have had a slightly off day and still as good as our current crops good day.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2024:
@voodoo yep and I think when you look at that 1st 5 crisis thread, if you think we had Smith-DC-Nonu-Smith, 4 greats of our game together alot of the time, any that follow will always be poorer...I mean all 4 could have had a slightly off day and still as good as our current crops good day.
One of them could have stayed in the dressing room and the other 3 still be as good as the current lot...
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I wonder what Umaga, McDonald, Mauger, Dermody, Plumtree, might have done had they been lucky enough to have had Whitelock, Barrett, Taylor and Mo'unga at Super Rugby level...
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I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
I remember our only complaint it was a bit boring around team naming , it picked itself
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Most people in NZ think that the bench is for a mix of injury cover and ball runners. Because ball runners have 'ímpact'
A very basic, and fundamental question he asked was: why couldn't the reserves come on before half time? Maybe you get 35 good minutes out of a prop? Why not do it in reverse?
I guess most people would say well what do you do if there's an injury just after half-time then?""
To which Rassie says Í'll just bring the other guys back on, nobody will even do anything if I just start running a rotating subs bench like it's basketball@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Most people in NZ think that the bench is for a mix of injury cover and ball runners. Because ball runners have 'ímpact'
A very basic, and fundamental question he asked was: why couldn't the reserves come on before half time? Maybe you get 35 good minutes out of a prop? Why not do it in reverse?
I guess most people would say well what do you do if there's an injury just after half-time then?""
To which Rassie says Í'll just bring the other guys back on, nobody will even do anything if I just start running a rotating subs bench like it's basketballThey have been taking the piss with this carry on for years.
One of the locks in the second test came on and off 4 times if I recall correctly?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
I remember our only complaint it was a bit boring around team naming , it picked itself
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
I remember our only complaint it was a bit boring around team naming , it picked itself
And one of those losses was when the whole team had a dose of the trots in Twickenham.
They were all on the jacks for the week.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2024:
I post this not as a criticism of where we are at now, but as a reminder of how good we were through that era. What a team
That team would be one of the top 3 squads in AB history. Totally stacked, totally rooted our expectations
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan Alongside 96-97, 87-89, 65-69?
I was thinking of the Incomparables, I forgot about the post '87 team who were a total juggernaut. I have no opinion on the 60s team as it was before my time, but if that was the Needle's team I know they never lost? And probably the Invincibles would complete the list
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October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
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October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
If he was on the bench for the RWC final, with all the cards and stuff that happened, we would've won. Bringing on Christie with 15 to go was pointless. Brining on Roigard would've changed out play. Roigard is a game changing player whom I can't wait to be back in black
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Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
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Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
Hope he's the answer you're all looking for
His play reminds me of Joost/FDP.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Maybe Ryan is worse than Mains then.
How can there be zero starting Blues players in the forwards who had the most dominant pack in Super Rugby?
Papalii and Tuipulotu were starting until injury... and as an extension, the tight five has been perfectly fine. Samapeni Finau, Shannon Frizell, heck even Sotutu and Ioane in the past have shown that Super Rugby form does not always equate to ABs form - very different style of rugby.
If you think Ofa, Riccitelli, Renata, etc. are making a difference to the ABs, you're either an idiot or a Blues fan.
The tight five has not been fine. They have zero ability to get over the advantage line in phase play as a unit.
That's one of the reasons why we've struggled at restarts.
All of the loose forward you mentioned have shown talent at test level. They just haven't been developed properly because it's endless chopping and changing instead of picking 1 guy and sticking with him. They haven't been allowed to grow with set backs. Nonu and Kaino had set backs.
We've already had 4 guys start at 6 this year alone.
Just pick the best long term prospect and give them a run like Mckenzie has been given.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith who's pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
Not at all he's no Lomu, but he plays nine and offers a much wider range of threats than all our other 9s. More than Smith whose pass was so important but also his lack of running game made us so much more predictable. He just has to play and offer those threats and it will make a huge difference
He certainly has potential to add quality to our play and was on fire in super rugby.
But with such a serious injury, I think most are just hoping he can get some rugby in this year.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
If he was on the bench for the RWC final, with all the cards and stuff that happened, we would've won. Bringing on Christie with 15 to go was pointless. Brining on Roigard would've changed out play. Roigard is a game changing player whom I can't wait to be back in black
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2024:
October 5 is the planned return for Roigard. He will link up with the ABs next week.
There is a video interview in the article.
If he was on the bench for the RWC final, with all the cards and stuff that happened, we would've won. Bringing on Christie with 15 to go was pointless. Brining on Roigard would've changed out play. Roigard is a game changing player whom I can't wait to be back in black
I’m still seething over it.
Moronic selections.
Roigard had the hot hand.
Be bold and go out and win the bloody thing.
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Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
To add to my other comment, you are right- it is unfair and unrealistic to expect a rookie halfback to make the immediate impact that people are hoping he might.
Clearly he looks like he will be a very good player and he was the form player in SR before he got injured.
Lots of talk about Super rugby not preparing players for tests as it did before. I think it is still producing very good players but now it seems they need more time to adjust to test rugby than players from previous eras who debuted for the All Blacks.
Or perhaps it is just because we are not producing players that are better than their counterparts from other top nations, as regularly as we used to.
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Conservatism was trendy and was doing my head in. Obvious to all and sundry Roigard was a game changer.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2024:
Roigard has had a great start to his international career but he hasn't been tearing up trees a la Lomu - not meant in the physical sense but in the influence sense
I think far too many people are placing the success of the ABs at his feet
If he turns out to be the next Dupont I will be the first to say I was wrong and shout how good he is from the rooftops
But the weight of expectation, as we're already seeing with 'Surf Jesus, can often be too heavy a load to bear
Or may be expected from the wrong person
To add to my other comment, you are right- it is unfair and unrealistic to expect a rookie halfback to make the immediate impact that people are hoping he might.
Clearly he looks like he will be a very good player and he was the form player in SR before he got injured.
Lots of talk about Super rugby not preparing players for tests as it did before. I think it is still producing very good players but now it seems they need more time to adjust to test rugby than players from previous eras who debuted for the All Blacks.
Or perhaps it is just because we are not producing players that are better than their counterparts from other top nations, as regularly as we used to.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
it seems they need more time to adjust to test rugby than players from previous eras who debuted for the All Blacks.
Probably because they either don't play super rugby, play poorly or don't get selected when in form.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
it seems they need more time to adjust to test rugby than players from previous eras who debuted for the All Blacks.
Probably because they either don't play super rugby, play poorly or don't get selected when in form.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
it seems they need more time to adjust to test rugby than players from previous eras who debuted for the All Blacks.
Probably because they either don't play super rugby, play poorly or don't get selected when in form.
I hear ya Bones. I would like to have seen more weight given to SR form for selection purposes
