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All Blacks 2024

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    Jacomb looks the most promising to me.

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      AB's squad named at 2pm Monday for end of year tour.

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        AB's squad named at 2pm Monday for end of year tour.

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        I would like to see Papali'i back in the mix.

        Cane was pretty ordinary against the Wallabies and we lost both those Bok tests.

        I just don't get the appeal of Cane?

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          I would like to see Papali'i back in the mix.

          Cane was pretty ordinary against the Wallabies and we lost both those Bok tests.

          I just don't get the appeal of Cane?

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          @brodean His flawed tackle technique (starts at the chest and goes higher when he is inaccurate) gives one or two big tackles per game when he is on form, but it directly leads to cards, and he makes a lot of mistakes too. Just not big enough, fast enough, or strong enough on the carry.

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            @brodean His flawed tackle technique (starts at the chest and goes higher when he is inaccurate) gives one or two big tackles per game when he is on form, but it directly leads to cards, and he makes a lot of mistakes too. Just not big enough, fast enough, or strong enough on the carry.

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            @Tim said in All Blacks 2024:

            @brodean His flawed tackle technique (starts at the chest and goes higher when he is inaccurate) gives one or two big tackles per game when he is on form, but it directly leads to cards, and he makes a lot of mistakes too. Just not big enough, fast enough, or strong enough on the carry.

            A bit of a common flaw amongst AB loosies.

            Especially that guy Dalton Papalii

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              @Tim said in All Blacks 2024:

              @brodean His flawed tackle technique (starts at the chest and goes higher when he is inaccurate) gives one or two big tackles per game when he is on form, but it directly leads to cards, and he makes a lot of mistakes too. Just not big enough, fast enough, or strong enough on the carry.

              A bit of a common flaw amongst AB loosies.

              Especially that guy Dalton Papalii

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              brodean
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              @MN5

              Papali'is top pace is nothing to sneer at.

              I recall Sititi making breaks but not being able to go all the way. He's very explosive and gets to top speed quickly but I doubt his top speed will take him all the way.

              No one was touching Papali'i on that intercept against England. Probably Savea is the only faster loosie in the squad.

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                I'll honestly be surprised if Sotutu makes the AB XV which is sad.

                I think Haig has potential but anyone of Parker, Stodart, Finau, Ah Kuoi, Delaney, or Suafoa have just as much potential.

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                @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                @reprobate

                I'll honestly be surprised if Sotutu makes the AB XV which is sad.

                I think Haig has potential but anyone of Parker, Stodart, Finau, Ah Kuoi, Delaney, or Suafoa have just as much potential.

                Haig is better than Parker, Stodart, Ah Kui, and Delaney. Finau, Suafoa, and Haig are the three with the most potential

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                  @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                  @reprobate

                  I'll honestly be surprised if Sotutu makes the AB XV which is sad.

                  I think Haig has potential but anyone of Parker, Stodart, Finau, Ah Kuoi, Delaney, or Suafoa have just as much potential.

                  Haig is better than Parker, Stodart, Ah Kui, and Delaney. Finau, Suafoa, and Haig are the three with the most potential

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                  @KiwiInLondon

                  Yeah nah

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                    @KiwiInLondon

                    Yeah nah

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                    @brodean he’s definitely better than Parker and Stodard, those no debate about that.

                    Ah Kui is a lock and was well beaten around the park by Haig this year in NPC this year. As an out and out six, one is clearly more suited

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                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @reprobate

                      I'll honestly be surprised if Sotutu makes the AB XV which is sad.

                      I think Haig has potential but anyone of Parker, Stodart, Finau, Ah Kuoi, Delaney, or Suafoa have just as much potential.

                      Haig is better than Parker, Stodart, Ah Kui, and Delaney. Finau, Suafoa, and Haig are the three with the most potential

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                      @KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @brodean said in All Blacks 2024:

                      @reprobate

                      I'll honestly be surprised if Sotutu makes the AB XV which is sad.

                      I think Haig has potential but anyone of Parker, Stodart, Finau, Ah Kuoi, Delaney, or Suafoa have just as much potential.

                      Haig is better than Parker, Stodart, Ah Kui, and Delaney. Finau, Suafoa, and Haig are the three with the most potential
                      Haven’t really seen enough of Haig to comment. Him Finau and Suafoa are the right (Kaino) size.

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                        How did they compare for pace?

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                          Oli Haig will play international rugby. Just depends if it is for the All Blacks or England. I think for the fact there is threat of him leaving, he could be fast-tracked so they can get a proper look at him.

                          Thing I really like about him is he does the hard yards around the ruck, as well as offering skill in the wider channels. Also a good lineout target. As I have said before, once Cane leaves, more chance Sititi shuffles to either 7 or 8, leaving a gap.

                          Finau hasn't taken the chance, and I feel like being able to do the hard yards around the ruck, and being a good lineout target are going to be key in whoever we mesh with Sititi.

                          As Sititi has showed, right place, right time is often just as important as being good. I mean look at Proctor and Lakai - been bloody outstanding, but there are established guys parked in front of them.

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                            Yeahtheboys
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                            Cant wait to see Fihaki get his chance at 15, he’s really earned it

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                              Does anyone know if Ian Foster lost a Rugby Championship?

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                                How did they compare for pace?

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                                @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

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                                  @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

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                                  @KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2024:

                                  @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

                                  Kaino was in 100m final at St. Kents. Winner was Joe Rocks.

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                                    Yeah I remember BB being a bit of a whipping boy last year when the public wanted Stevenson selected , He was a Fozzie favourite apparently.

                                    Now they want him given the keys to the 10 jersey .

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                                    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:

                                    Now they want him given the keys to the 10 jersey .

                                    At least they've stopped bigging up Mo'unga as one of the all -time AB Greats....

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                                      @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

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                                      @KiwiInLondon

                                      I've watched Haig closely at Super Rugby and I do think he has potential but he hasn't done anything more than those other guys imo. All of those guys mentioned are NZ XV level. The Highlanders are on an upward curve so he has the opportunity to keep improving.

                                      As someone has implied none of those players have the raw athleticism of Jerome Kaino.

                                      Guys like Squire, Ioane, Frizell, Fifita all had more raw athleticism than those current options mentioned including Haig. Haig could be more of a Luatua, Hemopo style player which can work at the top level.

                                      You look at Pstd and he's a superior athlete to all those AB XV bigger options - and still he's bigger than them. Same applies to Ollivon.

                                      That's why Finau can't be written off. He's the best raw athlete we have out of those bigger options. Finau did enough to help us secure our only wins so far this year against a top 5 team.

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                                        @KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

                                        Kaino was in 100m final at St. Kents. Winner was Joe Rocks.

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                                        @pakman said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks 2024:

                                        @pakman Haig and Aku are both far quicker than they look

                                        Kaino was in 100m final at St. Kents. Winner was Joe Rocks.

                                        Quick when he first started playing serious footy too, and not much of a blindside. Then he got bigger, brutal, and quite a bit slower.

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                                          I've watched Haig closely at Super Rugby and I do think he has potential but he hasn't done anything more than those other guys imo. All of those guys mentioned are NZ XV level. The Highlanders are on an upward curve so he has the opportunity to keep improving.

                                          As someone has implied none of those players have the raw athleticism of Jerome Kaino.

                                          Guys like Squire, Ioane, Frizell, Fifita all had more raw athleticism than those current options mentioned including Haig. Haig could be more of a Luatua, Hemopo style player which can work at the top level.

                                          You look at Pstd and he's a superior athlete to all those AB XV bigger options - and still he's bigger than them. Same applies to Ollivon.

                                          That's why Finau can't be written off. He's the best raw athlete we have out of those bigger options. Finau did enough to help us secure our only wins so far this year against a top 5 team.

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                                          @brodean bro, so much of what you say makes sense and then you go and ruin it by saying that playing in a winning team makes you a good selection.

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