Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
On a related note, could the Highlanders not have made a bigger play for say 1 or 2 first-fives from the chiefs
Both Gatland and Ioane left the Highlanders for the Chiefs, so that is hardly a great selling point if you are wanting a player to go in the other direction.
The only 1st 5s from the Chiefs region that the Highlanders could have made a play for are Jacomb and Hohepa. Kemara and Cashmore had already signed elsewhere, and Trask was in the Chiefs long-term plans. I don't see a problem in the Highlanders investing in their local talent in that position.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
On a related note, could the Highlanders not have made a bigger play for say 1 or 2 first-fives from the chiefs
Both Gatland and Ioane left the Highlanders for the Chiefs, so that is hardly a great selling point if you are wanting a player to go in the other direction.
The only 1st 5s from the Chiefs region that the Highlanders could have made a play for are Jacomb and Hohepa. Kemara and Cashmore had already signed elsewhere, and Trask was in the Chiefs long-term plans. I don't see a problem in the Highlanders investing in their local talent in that position.
Hit the nail on the head here. High hopes for Millar and Faleafaga, so unless you could lure DMac back 'home', there is little point in getting a 10 from elsewhere, because there is a lack of good 10s in their prime in NZ outside of him.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
On a related note, could the Highlanders not have made a bigger play for say 1 or 2 first-fives from the chiefs
Both Gatland and Ioane left the Highlanders for the Chiefs, so that is hardly a great selling point if you are wanting a player to go in the other direction.
The only 1st 5s from the Chiefs region that the Highlanders could have made a play for are Jacomb and Hohepa. Kemara and Cashmore had already signed elsewhere, and Trask was in the Chiefs long-term plans. I don't see a problem in the Highlanders investing in their local talent in that position.
As for midfielders etc. of course we would like to have found a top class one, but no point getting someone else's sloppy seconds, we might as well try and develop the next star.
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up how shit do you think the HIghlanders management is if you think they dont mentioned that kind of stuff when talking to new recruit?...thats all pretty basic stuff...in fact i would say the players and their management will already be aware of those things and when they talk to a team they will be asking about the style of rugby thats going to be played and load of other things that we cant see just from reading the squad list
My theory, and it is only a theory with no intel, Aaron Mauger is the root cause of nearly all of the problems the Highlanders had over the last World Cup cycle... poor recruitment, and I would guess a poor environment which made it tough to attract players. Brown tried to pick up the pieces in 2021, but I would guess the culture was so bad nobody wanted to come... takes time to repair things, there was simply few players realistically available in 22' and 23' hence sticking with a similar squad. Dermody has now swept the house, and at the very least I can guarantee there will be a good culture, and the fringe guys actually want to be in Dunedin playing for us, rather than guys like for example Fetuli Paea, who is only with us because he can't get a better deal elsewhere.
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@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
On a related note, could the Highlanders not have made a bigger play for say 1 or 2 first-fives from the chiefs
Both Gatland and Ioane left the Highlanders for the Chiefs, so that is hardly a great selling point if you are wanting a player to go in the other direction.
The only 1st 5s from the Chiefs region that the Highlanders could have made a play for are Jacomb and Hohepa. Kemara and Cashmore had already signed elsewhere, and Trask was in the Chiefs long-term plans. I don't see a problem in the Highlanders investing in their local talent in that position.
Hit the nail on the head here. High hopes for Millar and Faleafaga, so unless you could lure DMac back 'home', there is little point in getting a 10 from elsewhere, because there is a lack of good 10s in their prime in NZ outside of him.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
On a related note, could the Highlanders not have made a bigger play for say 1 or 2 first-fives from the chiefs
Both Gatland and Ioane left the Highlanders for the Chiefs, so that is hardly a great selling point if you are wanting a player to go in the other direction.
The only 1st 5s from the Chiefs region that the Highlanders could have made a play for are Jacomb and Hohepa. Kemara and Cashmore had already signed elsewhere, and Trask was in the Chiefs long-term plans. I don't see a problem in the Highlanders investing in their local talent in that position.
As for midfielders etc. of course we would like to have found a top class one, but no point getting someone else's sloppy seconds, we might as well try and develop the next star.
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Punch_up how shit do you think the HIghlanders management is if you think they dont mentioned that kind of stuff when talking to new recruit?...thats all pretty basic stuff...in fact i would say the players and their management will already be aware of those things and when they talk to a team they will be asking about the style of rugby thats going to be played and load of other things that we cant see just from reading the squad list
My theory, and it is only a theory with no intel, Aaron Mauger is the root cause of nearly all of the problems the Highlanders had over the last World Cup cycle... poor recruitment, and I would guess a poor environment which made it tough to attract players. Brown tried to pick up the pieces in 2021, but I would guess the culture was so bad nobody wanted to come... takes time to repair things, there was simply few players realistically available in 22' and 23' hence sticking with a similar squad. Dermody has now swept the house, and at the very least I can guarantee there will be a good culture, and the fringe guys actually want to be in Dunedin playing for us, rather than guys like for example Fetuli Paea, who is only with us because he can't get a better deal elsewhere.
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@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
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@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
Just fucking stop it, or at least put in a trigger warning with spoiler blocks
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@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
:angry_face:
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@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
:angry_face:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
:angry_face:
The joke was on us Canes fans...
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@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
:angry_face:
The joke was on us Canes fans...
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Nepia said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
:angry_face:
The joke was on us Canes fans...
Well, for my past sins, I was Canes fan then, not sure why, I think our quota was -3 back then compared with the 3 we have now.
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@frugby Mauger is a worse selector and coach than he was a defender in his playing days.
Unsure how he managed to get two Super gigs aside from the boys club/promote every ex Cantab player as a coach.
@Nepia My theory is that as a byproduct of the cru's emphasis on on-field player decision-making over the last 20+ years a lot of Crusaders players who were just okay to good players have all been painted with the same "steady & sensible" brush and ppl believe (sometimes very wrongly) that the "steady & sensible" label would also translate to coaching.
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What's dagg up to? Surely it's his time to shine at ten.
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@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
if DH is starting at 12 for the Crusaders then they should not be favourite for the comp
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
“It’s their year”
Havili is fine at 12 at SR level. We used him a little different than what we wanted at test level.
Still prefer him as a fullback.
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
Mo'unga was superb at Super as well - the game was made for him. He created huge moments for the team.
And Sam Whitelock as well. Ridiculous at the pointy end of the season.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
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@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
I think a lot of other SR coaches would take that record of Blackadder's ,not shit compared to other SR coaches but not up to the Crusaders winning standard.
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@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
having been in chch at the time and knowing the distractions from the earthquakes for years after, i think that team did very well
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@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
having been in chch at the time and knowing the distractions from the earthquakes for years after, i think that team did very well
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
having been in chch at the time and knowing the distractions from the earthquakes for years after, i think that team did very well
A debatable penalty against the goat at the end too IIRC.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
having been in chch at the time and knowing the distractions from the earthquakes for years after, i think that team did very well
A debatable penalty against the goat at the end too IIRC.
@Crazy-Horse said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@nostrildamus said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@dogmeat said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@ACT-Crusader said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
We are never favourites, it’s always the Chiefs and Blues.
Get away with you.
I barely follow SR these days but even I know the Crusaders are perennial favourites.
I guess this year will show how much of Razor's reign was his superlative coaching ability and how much was an illustration of just how shit Todd Blackadder was.
um didn't he only miss playoffs once and took them to 2 or 3 finals and at least one of those seasons didn't have a stadium? Maybe mediocre but "shit" seems unfair.
having been in chch at the time and knowing the distractions from the earthquakes for years after, i think that team did very well
A debatable penalty against the goat at the end too IIRC.
i dislike the Crusaders as much or more than the next bloke...but winning in 2011 would have been an epic story
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Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
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Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
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@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
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@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@frugby said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@SBW1 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Find it really strange that RM has no desire to play for the ABs again. He would be under his Crusader's coach, he was on the cusp of owning the 10 jersey and really cementing himself as possibly one of our great No.10s. Seems weird, surely there isn't more to it than meets the eye.
Easy to say, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why sign a three year deal then? Perfectly timed for him to return in 2027.
3 years is a long time in All Black rugby. I don't think he could leave assuming he could walk back into the squad again
Calculated risk... but does anyone really see DMac, Perofeta or B Barrett as the long term ABs 10? I'm doubtful. Only real threat is if one of the youngsters (Kemara & Millar the two who jump out?) stun us all by taking their respective games to new heights.
