Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s
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If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
It will be a bad day for cats then,I will be kicking a few cats if that happens.
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@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Perofeta didn't even get time at 10 for the Naki
3 starts at 10 plus he moved from fullback to 10 later in a lot games
Him playing at 15 was more about getting him and Jacomb on the field at the same time
@Duluth said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Perofeta didn't even get time at 10 for the Naki
3 starts at 10 plus he moved from fullback to 10 later in a lot games
Him playing at 15 was more about getting him and Jacomb on the field at the same time
If he doesn't get the nod in that situation it doesn't fill me with confidence
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I hope the Canes will give Godfrey plenty of time at 10. He has all the attributes of a good 10, but he only got the starts there for Hurricanes U20. He was named player of the tournament for a good reason, but before he got injured, he started at fullback in the NPC. For NZ U20s, he also started at fullback and was then moved to 10 when they took Kemara off. Each time, that was an improvement. I want to know whether he can be a good 10 at SR level, so we can see whether he should be considered for higher honours at 10 (rather than 15). Not necessarily in 2024.
@Stargazer said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I hope the Canes will give Godfrey plenty of time at 10. He has all the attributes of a good 10, but he only got the starts there for Hurricanes U20. He was named player of the tournament for a good reason, but before he got injured, he started at fullback in the NPC. For NZ U20s, he also started at fullback and was then moved to 10 when they took Kemara off. Each time, that was an improvement. I want to know whether he can be a good 10 at SR level, so we can see whether he should be considered for higher honours at 10 (rather than 15). Not necessarily in 2024.
This Godfrey fellow is not from the Hawkes-Bay by any chance is he?
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If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
A sure thing I reckon, BB will flit around SR playing whatever position he appears to like and will do the same for the AB's as after all, playing 10 at international rugby is just like riding a bicycle.
What's this you say? Someone from another team has been riding a specialized downhill mountain bike fine tuning their skills and making minute adjustments to increase their speed year on year and might possibly be faster?
Preposterous!! How could that ever compare to BB occasionally getting on his bike on a casual jaunt to the dairy to pick up a carton of milk whenever it so suits him? He was world player of the year you know? No one could possibly be faster.
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@Bovidae still amazes me that being a squad player at the chiefs (so it appears) was more attractive than fighting it out for the 10 jersey with us
@Kiwiwomble said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Bovidae still amazes me that being a squad player at the chiefs (so it appears) was more attractive than fighting it out for the 10 jersey with us
Brown wanted rid? I thought that was pretty clear at the time. Bridges were never really mended after that night on the booze. I'll never forget the infamous comment on Sky Sport either about the shorts sizes...
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@Duluth If it was a tactical decision by the Naki that's understandable.
However I struggle to understand how not playing at 10 would then increase your chances of getting selected there for the AB's.
@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth If it was a tactical decision by the Naki that's understandable.
However I struggle to understand how not playing at 10 would then increase your chances of getting selected there for the AB's.
It's called the Blackadder rule.
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@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth If it was a tactical decision by the Naki that's understandable.
However I struggle to understand how not playing at 10 would then increase your chances of getting selected there for the AB's.
It's called the Blackadder rule.
@antipodean said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Duluth If it was a tactical decision by the Naki that's understandable.
However I struggle to understand how not playing at 10 would then increase your chances of getting selected there for the AB's.
It's called the Blackadder rule.
So not play in that position and get injured for long periods of the season will see him as a certainty for selection? Gotcha
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@Windows97 Perofeta will get his shot at 10 for the Blues to show whether or not he will make the ABs grade.
My gut says Fergus Burke will have a strong finish to Super Rugby and snatch an AB shirt.
@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
Perofeta will get his shot at 10 for the Blues to show whether or not he will make the ABs grade
Apparently some people think the ABs are selected on NPC game time
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Cashmore needs to get significant game time at SR level first. In my mind, I think he will need a couple of years still to be honest, even if he is tracking on an upward trajectory.
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@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
A sure thing I reckon, BB will flit around SR playing whatever position he appears to like and will do the same for the AB's as after all, playing 10 at international rugby is just like riding a bicycle.
What's this you say? Someone from another team has been riding a specialized downhill mountain bike fine tuning their skills and making minute adjustments to increase their speed year on year and might possibly be faster?
Preposterous!! How could that ever compare to BB occasionally getting on his bike on a casual jaunt to the dairy to pick up a carton of milk whenever it so suits him? He was world player of the year you know? No one could possibly be faster.
@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
A sure thing I reckon, BB will flit around SR playing whatever position he appears to like and will do the same for the AB's as after all, playing 10 at international rugby is just like riding a bicycle.
What's this you say? Someone from another team has been riding a specialized downhill mountain bike fine tuning their skills and making minute adjustments to increase their speed year on year and might possibly be faster?
Preposterous!! How could that ever compare to BB occasionally getting on his bike on a casual jaunt to the dairy to pick up a carton of milk whenever it so suits him? He was world player of the year you know? No one could possibly be faster.
I don’t think a Barrett would ever have to actually pay for Milk. Ridiculous analogy.
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@Windows97 said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
A sure thing I reckon, BB will flit around SR playing whatever position he appears to like and will do the same for the AB's as after all, playing 10 at international rugby is just like riding a bicycle.
What's this you say? Someone from another team has been riding a specialized downhill mountain bike fine tuning their skills and making minute adjustments to increase their speed year on year and might possibly be faster?
Preposterous!! How could that ever compare to BB occasionally getting on his bike on a casual jaunt to the dairy to pick up a carton of milk whenever it so suits him? He was world player of the year you know? No one could possibly be faster.
I don’t think a Barrett would ever have to actually pay for Milk. Ridiculous analogy.
@MN5 That'll teach me for trying to come up with an analogy relatable to the common man.
May be if I replace "carton of milk" with "a bottle of fizzy drink and a pack of cigs for his Mum" that would be more colloquial??
On the assumption the Barret's don't have business interests in the soda or tobacco industries so they'd never have to buy them either.
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@Windows97 Perofeta will get his shot at 10 for the Blues to show whether or not he will make the ABs grade.
My gut says Fergus Burke will have a strong finish to Super Rugby and snatch an AB shirt.
@KiwiMurph said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
My gut says Fergus Burke will have a strong finish to Super Rugby and snatch an AB shirt.
FABFB it is!
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I wonder how Razor will want our backline to play? Will he persist with playing flat, or will we play deeper? If he has a specific way he wants his 10 to play hopefully it will help whoever is there to be more controlled than we've come accustomed to lately
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If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
Yup, I'm not thrilled about BB being back. As a running 10, you have a shorter shelflife than a kicking 10 and he'd reached his sell by around 2019/2020. The only way he should be at 10 in 2024 or 2025 is if/when the ABs debut an uncapped midfield duo on his outside.
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I wonder how Razor will want our backline to play? Will he persist with playing flat, or will we play deeper? If he has a specific way he wants his 10 to play hopefully it will help whoever is there to be more controlled than we've come accustomed to lately
@canefan said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
I wonder how Razor will want our backline to play? Will he persist with playing flat, or will we play deeper? If he has a specific way he wants his 10 to play hopefully it will help whoever is there to be more controlled than we've come accustomed to lately
This is the BIG QUESTION.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
The SR coaches will do what is best for their team, and Robertson can't complain as he did exactly the same thing.
@Bovidae said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
You'd like to to think the AB & SR coaches are co-ordinated on where players play as well
The SR coaches will do what is best for their team, and Robertson can't complain as he did exactly the same thing.
Too much to hope for, I guess.
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@mariner4life said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
If BB starts at 10 again for the ABs i'll kick a cat
Yup, I'm not thrilled about BB being back. As a running 10, you have a shorter shelflife than a kicking 10 and he'd reached his sell by around 2019/2020. The only way he should be at 10 in 2024 or 2025 is if/when the ABs debut an uncapped midfield duo on his outside.
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@Punch_up said in Opinions on possible back-up All Blacks 10s:
The only way he should be at 10 in 2024 or 2025 is if/when the ABs debut an uncapped midfield duo on his outside.
Imagine setting up debut midfielders for failure.
@Bones There is no sterner test for a newbie midfield combo than having Barrett on your inside. If the papers give you a 6 out of 10 rating as AB midfielder and Barrett was playing at first five, everyone knows that's like an 8 out of 10 playing outside any other 1st five.
I can just picture the diplomatic stuff article:
*On a night day when the all black number 10 had a forgettable outing, new caps X and Y made a serviceable first foray into the cauldron that is test rugby... -
Barrett won't technically be available for the July Tests (unless there's an injury etc) even if he signs a new deal with NZR.
It's likely McKenzie and Perofeta will be selected in the first squad of the year alongside one young gun.
I agree with some others on here that Sullivan looks a better prospect at fullback (and with Jordie moving to the midfield, that's now looking like a far better long-term option for him than in the past). I think Brett Cameron is probably the current next cab off the ranks and Havili will almost certainly be in the squad too, and he might end up playing 10 for the Crusaders.
A very left-field option could be Rameka Poihipi. As with many other 'options', however, that's dependent on him getting some minutes there during Super Rugby, which is far from guaranteed.
