All Blacks vs England 2
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Great Test match and a win is a win but that was dire from the ABs. Error-strewn and clueless from minutes 0-60. Completely outplayed in the lineout and our defence out wide was awful. Kudos to England. Played with huge heart and seem to be the sort of opponents you can actually like.
Thanks fuck for the scrum and the new blokes who've come along in the last few years - they really saved our bacon.
This is a v. good England team which is going to get better, but Robertson had better get his coaching - esp. Ryan- and selection sorted out PDQ. While it's fair criticism to say Ratima was forced on him, at least he had the common-sense to revert to Foster's duel playmaker setup when things were going haywire.
Never believed the wunderkind shit around Robertson, and expected/accepted some ups and downs as he developed players and game-plans, but nothing this poor with a group of pretty established players.
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Most telling statement tonight from Scooter
In game adaptability
Executing one game plan well is hard enough, winning using plan B is where good teams become great teams
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These first few tests are about learning... what concerns me, is we simply don't have the cattle in certain positions. A lot of it will correct itself by the time 2027 rolls around, namely lock and the loose forwards, but for the time being it is a bit of a shambles.
First five to me is a major concern, start Beaudy please.
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The very poor pattern of out the back to a solo forward hitting it up might work in Super Rugby but it has no place in test rugby.
England keep it close to the ruck running off nine or forward to forward. You don’t see them passing well behind gainline for a league style hit up.
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Razor will have to learn fast that top level tests are not Super Rugby. He got an early taste back when the Crusaders didn't fire a shot on the Lions tour match, but I'm not sure if he's learnt the lesson yet... Bledisloe will tell.
@Donsteppa
Two tests against a good English team have been a good intro, team showed calmness at the end which is a positive -
Razor will have to learn fast that top level tests are not Super Rugby. He got an early taste back when the Crusaders didn't fire a shot on the Lions tour match, but I'm not sure if he's learnt the lesson yet... Bledisloe will tell.
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Razor will have to learn fast that top level tests are not Super Rugby. He got an early taste back when the Crusaders didn't fire a shot on the Lions tour match, but I'm not sure if he's learnt the lesson yet... Bledisloe will tell.
We are so loose, when Perofeta ran from his line when he had plenty of time to kick I think he showed what the game plan was.
That’s going to fail spectacularly eventually.
Out forwards are making hardly any metres as well, maybe Patrick a few times. Nothing around the ruck to suck in the defence.
Also took until BB coming on to move the team around the field like a real ten.
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England getting better respect today ... bloody good team. Itoje was massive.
Would like to see a change at 6...not going to lose anything by trying others. Also wouldn't mind seeing Procter start with ALB on bench.
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
England getting better respect today ... bloody good team. Itoje was massive.
Thought their halfback was very good too. Smith superb with his organisation, kicking and variation.
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Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
He had a fucking good game considering what he was given. Couple of hard carries, some good defence as well.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
We are going to get humbled in Africa if we play like that again.
If we take that lineout to Africa we'll get kicked to death.
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Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
@Tim said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Not sure why Ioane is being criticized. Defended well, and consistently got over the advantage line from shit ball.
Yeah I'm no Ioane fluffer, but he was fine. Problem was lineout sand dumb decisions, not Reiko. I definitely want to see proctor though, in SR a better centre, defence awesome and much better distribution than Ioane
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Razor will have to learn fast that top level tests are not Super Rugby. He got an early taste back when the Crusaders didn't fire a shot on the Lions tour match, but I'm not sure if he's learnt the lesson yet... Bledisloe will tell.
We are so loose, when Perofeta ran from his line when he had plenty of time to kick I think he showed what the game plan was.
That’s going to fail spectacularly eventually.
Out forwards are making hardly any metres as well, maybe Patrick a few times. Nothing around the ruck to suck in the defence.
Also took until BB coming on to move the team around the field like a real ten.
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And now for the fluff on field interview with the hard hitting and insightful Sky Sports panel....
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
And now for the fluff on field interview with the hard hitting and insightful Sky Sports panel....
Sir JK should go into political reporting he’s so hard hitting.
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Nice to see Joe Wheeler back after his racist rant.
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Well played NZ
As in the first test it was there for England but when it mattered they didn't capitalise on territory or possession.
NZ had the far better bench and it counted
Great teams find a way to win
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Great teams find a way to win
This isn't a great team Mike.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
And now for the fluff on field interview with the hard hitting and insightful Sky Sports panel....
Sir JK should go into political reporting he’s so hard hitting.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs England 2:
And now for the fluff on field interview with the hard hitting and insightful Sky Sports panel....
Sir JK should go into political reporting he’s so hard hitting.
Waiting for a "and if we score more points than them, we'll win" zinger
