All Blacks vs Argentina I
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Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
He looked great at 12 when he started, either he is out of form, the tactics don't suit him, or the opposition have worked him out and he is too limited to get out of the rut. I don't know what it is either. Still prefer him at 12 to DH.
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@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
For all the talk of Cantab bias, Ardie Savea and TJP were right up there for most experienced and shittest performance. Jordie not far behind either. And Aumua.
Too many canes, at their home ground?Let’s just ignore all the other shit performances of the night then.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
For all the talk of Cantab bias, Ardie Savea and TJP were right up there for most experienced and shittest performance. Jordie not far behind either. And Aumua.
Too many canes, at their home ground?Let’s just ignore all the other shit performances of the night then.
That was a systemic failure. From the top down
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
Carry has added a bit of depth at lock
Darry was the only one
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Barely a player came out of that game looking good, there was no organisation. That is a fault of the coaching staff for poor selection and poor team preparation
Carry has added a bit of depth at lock
Darry was the only one
…..and I was so irked by the performance I didn’t even notice my own spelling mistake
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
Yes Pats is great at Super level but off the bench or a half playing for the ABs at most. I think Darry was the better option to pick at lock and I've been saying that since the Super final.
Just hope Scott Barrett gets back into form.
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Really not getting the McKenzie love here. Thought his game pretty such summed up the overall, especially of the backline!
@Runt said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Really not getting the McKenzie love here. Thought his game pretty such summed up the overall, especially of the backline!
He has all the skills. He just needs to learn/be coached how to use them.
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
Yup. Respect test rugby and respect the opposition
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
So when can you fly down and take over as head coach?
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
He looked great at 12 when he started, either he is out of form, the tactics don't suit him, or the opposition have worked him out and he is too limited to get out of the rut. I don't know what it is either. Still prefer him at 12 to DH.
@nostrildamus To be fair, our forwards aren't going forward enough post contact to give blokes JB momentum.
Again, as horrible as that was, like many of our losses over the last few years, they were gifted points. Two tries and they would have been out of the game. This was almost as bad as that Mbombela test where we lucky to run on the field we were that poor yet all the dominance SA had, it came down to 2 very simple mistakes.
I still have faith in Razor but this BS we've been seeing since late 2016, especially the last 4 years is beyond tiresome.
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270mins in to the new era and I'm having difficulty seeing these new clothes the emperor is wearing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
270mins in to the new era and I'm having difficulty seeing these new clothes the emperor is wearing.
320 mins in and I don't think the Emperor is wearing any.
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@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
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Jeysus for the first 15 mins of the second half I was waiting for the subs to come on, so was the crowd and so were half the ABs.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
Must’ve been as a result of that impressive AB coaching they received to give such an impressive performance.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
Didn’t Tony Brown turn him down? And Schmidt didn’t want to work with him either
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger I agree and I said so a few days ago that this was one of the worst All Blacks starting XVs that I could remember.
But the problems were more than that. The pattern and the execution, especially in the last 20 minutes, were horrible.
My reaction is still "what the fuck was that?"
