All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Darth-Sader he failed to select the players most responsible for the Blues' winning power game. The game most translatable to test level
I thought Sotutu was very unlucky not to be given an opportunity, and you could argue Ioane should had another shot too. But as good as Tuipulotu as been this year, realistically he’s a 60 min journeyman at best. That aside, the gulf between Super and test rugby is now massive, and as others have pointed out, it doesn’t prepare our players to step up. Honestly, I had hoped for a lot more positivity in how we played this year. We have limited top quality players, so we’ll need to develop them. Look how many kiwi cast-offs are playing for Ireland… it’s doable.
Yes Pats is great at Super level but off the bench or a half playing for the ABs at most. I think Darry was the better option to pick at lock and I've been saying that since the Super final.
Just hope Scott Barrett gets back into form.
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Really not getting the McKenzie love here. Thought his game pretty such summed up the overall, especially of the backline!
@Runt said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Really not getting the McKenzie love here. Thought his game pretty such summed up the overall, especially of the backline!
He has all the skills. He just needs to learn/be coached how to use them.
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
Yup. Respect test rugby and respect the opposition
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First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
First coaching change for next time
Kick easy 3s whenever they are presented
So when can you fly down and take over as head coach?
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Yeah I've been beating the JB drum for a long time but he hasn't looked right. That backline you've suggested I don't think would have done worse.
He looked great at 12 when he started, either he is out of form, the tactics don't suit him, or the opposition have worked him out and he is too limited to get out of the rut. I don't know what it is either. Still prefer him at 12 to DH.
@nostrildamus To be fair, our forwards aren't going forward enough post contact to give blokes JB momentum.
Again, as horrible as that was, like many of our losses over the last few years, they were gifted points. Two tries and they would have been out of the game. This was almost as bad as that Mbombela test where we lucky to run on the field we were that poor yet all the dominance SA had, it came down to 2 very simple mistakes.
I still have faith in Razor but this BS we've been seeing since late 2016, especially the last 4 years is beyond tiresome.
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270mins in to the new era and I'm having difficulty seeing these new clothes the emperor is wearing.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
270mins in to the new era and I'm having difficulty seeing these new clothes the emperor is wearing.
320 mins in and I don't think the Emperor is wearing any.
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@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
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Jeysus for the first 15 mins of the second half I was waiting for the subs to come on, so was the crowd and so were half the ABs.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
Must’ve been as a result of that impressive AB coaching they received to give such an impressive performance.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
Didn’t Tony Brown turn him down? And Schmidt didn’t want to work with him either
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Kirwan Nail hit on head.
All we can hope is that Robertson has now learned the hard way that Test Rugby coaching is about a lot more than bigging up your pals.
The biggest issues is hes appointed his limited mates as his assistant coaches. The only good outcome of this was the Blues and Canes ended up with far superior coaches. And its early for Wellington but maybe Wellington too.
And then let them makes selections. Resulting in a terrible selected side especially for this test. My view this was one of the worst selected sides I can remember. They only got 2 starting backs right (DMac and Jordie). And even maybe Jordie was not right with ALB and Proctor deserving another chnace to show what they can do after there impressive pervious performance
@Winger I agree and I said so a few days ago that this was one of the worst All Blacks starting XVs that I could remember.
But the problems were more than that. The pattern and the execution, especially in the last 20 minutes, were horrible.
My reaction is still "what the fuck was that?"
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Has anyone been TSF MOTM in their first run on start for the All Blacks
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Well, the good thing about all this is it will make the next side naming absolutely compelling.
I think quite a few heads will roll after this effort
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I think quite a few heads will roll after this effort
And if things are fixed and fast, it will be a very short AB coaching tenure for Mr Robertson and his pals.
NZR still have Fozzie, Vern, Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph's numbers.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I think quite a few heads will roll after this effort
And if things are fixed and fast, it will be a very short AB coaching tenure for Mr Robertson and his pals.
NZR still have Fozzie, Vern, Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph's numbers.
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I think quite a few heads will roll after this effort
And if things are fixed and fast, it will be a very short AB coaching tenure for Mr Robertson and his pals.
NZR still have Fozzie, Vern, Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph's numbers.
Nah, NZR have never fired a head coach that I can remember. We are stuck with this lot for the cycle.
