All Blacks vs Argentina I
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Just watched the South Africa game.
Rassie is trolling the sport at his stage, and it's great to see.
The aft pod catching a line out and throwing it back to the front pod while in mid air. Resulted in Kolisi's try.
Kolbe feeding the scrums to give the defence a different picture to look at.
The bench splits. The bomb squad. The traffic light system. Acting the maggot in the media.
I remember Fozzie sneering at Irelands "copy and paste attack" after the quarter final.
We are no better and have been serving up the same dross under what now looks like 3 consecutive coaching tickets.
Sideways sideways sideways and then a cross field kick or Hail Mary chip and chase.
We are neither the innovators, the bullies or hardest workers.
We are a distinctly vanilla team.
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The blueprint is there! The periods of play that led to ALB and Telea's try were awesome (I hope to God that's not the point where we deviated from coach instructions). But we're in need of tweaks.
And seriously the team needs more bodies in motion. Even the ruthlessly efficient Boks have more guys moving off the ball than we do.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
And seriously the team needs more bodies in motion. Even the ruthlessly efficient Boks have more guys moving off the ball than we do.
This fucks me off the most, more than the brain farts and errors. I was happy with loses if there appeared to be a change into better formation and tactics. But there isn't, and no matter how well the players go, without that decent gameplan they aren't going to dominate. They can win with indivivueal brilliance, but that's not enough. And the gameplan was eithe rnon existant or non executed - either way the coaching team owns that as they players either did get the plan and it was shit or can't/don't undertand the plan and fail
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I often hear talking heads refer to Beaudys communication from the back and experience and game management. It was particularly contrasted with Stevensons perceived inability to tackle and Jordans lack of experience as a test 15. The same "experience" tag is wheeled out for the likes of Perenara or ALB.
But when you are conceding 38 points at home anyway with Beuady marshalling from the back, maybe we need to give the other teams something to worry about. Get our difference makers on the field.
Clarke, Jordan, Sititi, Ratima (Roigard when fit). Stevenson or someone else with a big boot.
Anything.
It cant be worse than this can it?
Today wasnt a bad day at the office. It is quite normal for the 2020-2024 Allblacks vintage.
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That press conference. Yikes!
Ardie competing for Christian of the Year.
Scott Robertson is "hurt"
Bunch of bullshit.Both should be pissed and angry.
I didn't go along with the outrage over the omission of Sotutu and Akira.
Now it appears it was fully justified.
I understand there may have been reservations on both, but the ignoring of their form this year is unforgivable.
Razor thought he was special.
That he was going to play the 'Canterbury way' with a bunch of 6.5s.
This now appears at best deluded and at worst conceited and clueless.He spent energy on trying to bring Richie Mo' back in, but someone needs to tell him to get Akira out of his contract.
We need more muscle and a new gameplan badly.
Will the Canterbury mates club be able to change?
I don't have a lot of hope at this stage.
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Ok fellas, bottom line is we lost last night (looked poor), but positive we got Pumas at home next week, and they not really that good so we will win then. So will everything be ok then?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Ok fellas, bottom line is we lost last night (looked poor), but positive we got Pumas at home next week, and they not really that good so we will win then. So will everything be ok then?
The way we play has to change. That's almost as important as the result. Another scratchy victory will only paper over the cracks
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I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
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Ok fellas, bottom line is we lost last night (looked poor), but positive we got Pumas at home next week, and they not really that good so we will win then. So will everything be ok then?
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Ok fellas, bottom line is we lost last night (looked poor), but positive we got Pumas at home next week, and they not really that good so we will win then. So will everything be ok then?
Not sure you've been paying attention, but we just lost to the Pumas at home.
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Darry did his job well in the lineout but so were the other targets at the time. Did anyone notice whether he stood up in the dark stuff? Did he win his collisions, knock people back? I am not saying he didn't, I just didn't notice because I was looking at other stuff.
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Ok fellas, bottom line is we lost last night (looked poor), but positive we got Pumas at home next week, and they not really that good so we will win then. So will everything be ok then?
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the good thing about the ABs slowly having become a good instead of an incredible team (circa 2010-2016) is that losses don't take an emotional toll on my well being anymore. Another loss? no problem, I'll go back to pretending rugby doesn't exist
@Tordah said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
the good thing about the ABs slowly having become a good instead of an incredible team (circa 2010-2016) is that losses don't take an emotional toll on my well being anymore. Another loss? no problem, I'll go back to pretending rugby doesn't exist
Yep, doesn't hurt nearly as much anymore. But I kind of miss that. I hope we get back to that level but I think I know in my heart we probably never will.
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I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
They're a different breed. Raised on social media and media trained to an inch of their lives. Same with the majority of ex players providing insight. Usual banal or canned statements. Well apart from SBW, but that's because he's a farking tard.
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I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yep I feel exactly the same way, sick of hearing that shit,I reckon you are right it doesn't hurt these players enough when they lose its just another lose now.
It is starting as a Fan to make me feel the same as no end seems to be in sight. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yep I feel exactly the same way, sick of hearing that shit,I reckon you are right it doesn't hurt these players enough when they lose its just another lose now.
It is starting as a Fan to make me feel the same as no end seems to be in sight.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yep I feel exactly the same way, sick of hearing that shit,I reckon you are right it doesn't hurt these players enough when they lose its just another lose now.
It is starting as a Fan to make me feel the same as no end seems to be in sight.No wonder the games don't sell out right now. Not saying the players don't have pride (I'm sure they do), but there just doesn't seem to be the intensity to not lose as there used to. It's probably just me getting older... Apparently you can still buy tickets to EP for this weekend
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yep I feel exactly the same way, sick of hearing that shit,I reckon you are right it doesn't hurt these players enough when they lose its just another lose now.
It is starting as a Fan to make me feel the same as no end seems to be in sight.No wonder the games don't sell out right now. Not saying the players don't have pride (I'm sure they do), but there just doesn't seem to be the intensity to not lose as there used to. It's probably just me getting older... Apparently you can still buy tickets to EP for this weekend
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yep I feel exactly the same way, sick of hearing that shit,I reckon you are right it doesn't hurt these players enough when they lose its just another lose now.
It is starting as a Fan to make me feel the same as no end seems to be in sight.No wonder the games don't sell out right now. Not saying the players don't have pride (I'm sure they do), but there just doesn't seem to be the intensity to not lose as there used to. It's probably just me getting older... Apparently you can still buy tickets to EP for this weekend
Sad but True.
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I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Watching the interview with Will Jordan after the match, grinning his head off, doing autographs and selfies for fans, and not showing an ounce of regret/hurt.
Fuck that.
And then pulling out all the same vague bullshit in the actual 'interview', obviously not knowing what all the buzzwords are even intended to actually mean... just... that's what he got taught in "Interviews 101". -
I yearn for the days of Henry, Smith and Hansen. This really was a well balanced coaching panel. Very well lead by Hnery who had the maturity to handle this job with ease
I think today the only one who comes close today is Jamie Joseph (NZR made a mistake not appointing him years back). Robertson is struggling. He seems like a very good man but does he have the maturity to do this job? I have my doubts.
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Aumua took a great time to throw so badly
No one jumped though. Just piss poor all around. Horrible game overall by the ABs.
Why are people blaming Aumua for a lineout where he had no targets? The whole thing was a debacle and speaks volumes about the coaching and selecting.
Fucking abysmal. At least Fozzie got us to a RWC final.
Because he didn’t throw one straight since he came on.
No. One. Jumped.
What every line out
Too difficult to grasp we're talking about the last lineout?
All 4 Amua fucked up by not throwing straight not just the last one.
Bahaha it wasn’t all Aumua’s fault. How does no one even jumping land on his shoulders. You’re just trying to deflect blame from poor coaching. Taylor was the shit throwing hooker in the two tests in England and we were lucky to get out of those tests without atleast one loss. Razor has a lot of work to do. The honeymoon is over.
He couldn’t hit fuck all tonight had a shocker
Terrible performance like a lot of them
TJ, Jordie just really poor.
Drop them all useless.Drop Taylor and Blackadder aswell. No effect at all. Blackadder flying back like that as our enforcer and then missing a one on one tackle under our posts was just embarrassing. Taylor shouldn’t have been starting tonight, he was garbage in the first two tests. Maybe starting Aumua would have given him more confidence instead of throwing him in last minute when we were already under the pump.
Again, it falls on Razor with shit selections and shit tactics.
He chose not to select the form Super players like Sotutu, Love, Lakai, Ioane etc so he can fall on the sword when it all turns to shit for all I care.
Drop the best lineouts thrower and the leading tackler... ...real smart
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As for the game itself
Newell needs to go. Just too limited. I would bring in Williams and Tosi.
Taylor is so past his best now I would prefer RR. With Aumua starting. Aumua is not a great replacement with 15 minutes left type player. Esp with jumper forgetting to jump
Darry was VG. Why was he initially excluded. And why was he taken off?
Blackadder is not the answer at 6. He remind me a bit of a fish out of water
I thought Perenara did well. And Ratima was no better. But would still start Ratima next week. For one to stop the stuck record regardless of how he's playing with TJ
ALB is not a center. I would give Barrett a rest next week with ALB and Proctor starting.
Is it worth bringing Cane back at 7? Dalton is fine but Cane is better
Reece is a fine SRP player but too small and too slow for a test AB.My back three for next week would at Reiko, Clarke and Love (or maybe BB or Jordan). But why Love wasn't in the initial squad and tried before now is a mystery to me. His decison making and kicking for the Canes was first rate. And he's fast and a great step when required
Jordan could come off the bench again. With Jordan, BB and Perenara. Jordie a rest)
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I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Argentina I:
I'm getting real sick of hearing players say they've gotta take the learnings. And it irritates beyond the grammar; just why do you need to learn the same dumb shit time after time as professional rugby players?
Does losing actually hurt anymore? I can't imagine a bunch of these players would survive with All Blacks from previous the millenia.
Yeah I’ve been feeling this for a while ,
I’m probably a dinosaur but we have lost our ruthlessness,
Probably left us when mccaw retired and has never returned , he was the last of the old school leaders .
I miss those days when were hated and called cheats .
Now we are mr nice guys .
