All Blacks vs Argentina I
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I thought Lord was both injured and preferred.
I know you didn't mean it that way, but that seems like an apt and ironic comment on All Black selection concepts this year
Taking 3 locks and having Darry in the train-on squad was weird. That was the basis to infer they didn't want to hand him a contract - and seemed to be waiting for Lord to come back from injury.
Selections have been a bit unusual, particularly in composition of the squad.
I think Darry was insurance for Tuipuluto given he was under a cloud heading into the SR final. So not unusual to have 3 locks (plus a lock/6 in Finau) in a small squad.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
So not unusual to have 3 locks (plus a lock/6 in Finau) in a small squad
fine in isolation. but probably not when you are looking to replace the two starters and ever presents from the past decade or so.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
Frees up Havilli for a recall at 12. Brilliant stuff
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
Frees up Havilli for a recall at 12. Brilliant stuff
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
Frees up Havilli for a recall at 12. Brilliant stuff
Or Ardie….
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
We'll know soon enough what Robertson thinks
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
It will be interesting how Jordan combines with DMac.
Sure, but BB has been named as a 10 and has exclusively been used at fullback so there are no guarantees.
DMac is an 80 minute player and his experience as a test 10 is still quite limited, so I’m liking that they have given him 80 in the first 3 tests. We have an experienced back up if need be, but building DMac’s body of work is critical to this next 3 years.
DC was playing 80 minutes more so than not with Beaudie on the bench for example as the back up.
I agree - but the selectors would have likely known from the moment that the squad was picked that Barrett was more likely to get minutes at 15 than 10.
I'm not saying Jordan won't be used primarily at fullback, I just don't think that Razor's comments are conclusive. What works at Super Rugby level doesn't necessarily work at Test level and Robertson might decide that it's more important to have a second playmaker at fullback (a la Perofeta, Barrett or Love), particularly against South Africa, than someone like Jordan.
I agree. Still question marks on whether he can play there. But I guess there’s no more question marks than there were/are with Perofeta or Love.
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
hot take!
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I thought Lord was both injured and preferred.
I know you didn't mean it that way, but that seems like an apt and ironic comment on All Black selection concepts this year
Taking 3 locks and having Darry in the train-on squad was weird. That was the basis to infer they didn't want to hand him a contract - and seemed to be waiting for Lord to come back from injury.
Selections have been a bit unusual, particularly in composition of the squad.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I thought Lord was both injured and preferred.
I know you didn't mean it that way, but that seems like an apt and ironic comment on All Black selection concepts this year
Taking 3 locks and having Darry in the train-on squad was weird. That was the basis to infer they didn't want to hand him a contract - and seemed to be waiting for Lord to come back from injury.
Selections have been a bit unusual, particularly in composition of the squad.
I think they've used trainings (as well as games) to learn more about these players and how they fit into the AB environment - whilst also being limited to a squad size of 32 for the first squad.
To select Darry in the 32 man squad means dropping someone else
The likes of Darry, Love and Hotham have impressed and so come into the 36 man squad.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
hot take!
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
hot take!
So now there's 6 fullbacks....
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
So that means we currently have four fullbacks - Perofeta, Barrett, Love, and Jordan.
They should have picked Plummer to develop a second first-five because going back to Barrett is total back to the future vibes.
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
So that means we currently have four fullbacks - Perofeta, Barrett, Love, and Jordan.
They should have picked Plummer to develop a second first-five because going back to Barrett is total back to the future vibes.
Plummer would have been a better bet either way, he's not going to be any worse at 12 than David. He's definitely more physically equipped.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
So that means we currently have four fullbacks - Perofeta, Barrett, Love, and Jordan.
They should have picked Plummer to develop a second first-five because going back to Barrett is total back to the future vibes.
Plummer would have been a better bet either way, he's not going to be any worse at 12 than David. He's definitely more physically equipped.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
So that means we currently have four fullbacks - Perofeta, Barrett, Love, and Jordan.
They should have picked Plummer to develop a second first-five because going back to Barrett is total back to the future vibes.
Plummer would have been a better bet either way, he's not going to be any worse at 12 than David. He's definitely more physically equipped.
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
hot take!
So now there's 6 fullbacks....
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Not that I think anything will happen, but for me the best fullback in the squad is still Jordie.
hot take!
So now there's 6 fullbacks....
Razor loves his wingers and fullbacks!
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Robertson was asked earlier this week and said he sees Jordan as a fullback who can cover wing. Which aligns with how he selected the Crusaders.
So that means we currently have four fullbacks - Perofeta, Barrett, Love, and Jordan.
They should have picked Plummer to develop a second first-five because going back to Barrett is total back to the future vibes.
Plummer would have been a better bet either way, he's not going to be any worse at 12 than David. He's definitely more physically equipped.
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
Not for the ABs judging on his recent 10 form for the Crusaders!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
Not for the ABs judging on his recent 10 form for the Crusaders!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
Not for the ABs judging on his recent 10 form for the Crusaders!
He does cos Razor said so
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
Not for the ABs judging on his recent 10 form for the Crusaders!
He does cos Razor said so
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Calm down Neps. Enough is enough. He’s not exactly Andrew Merhtens. He was actually a reasonably big fella when I walked past him in the airport.
Mehrtens was an AB 12?
No but Havili covers 10
Not for the ABs judging on his recent 10 form for the Crusaders!
He does cos Razor said so
DH is another player who in recent times has been kissed on the dick a lot more than his ability would suggest he deserves
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four fullbacks
four hybrid opensidesthis is certainly some recipe. i can't wait to see what the master plan is
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
four fullbacks
four hybrid opensidesthis is certainly some recipe. i can't wait to see what the master plan is
It would have made more sense to pick Paps, Cane and RD, and thrown in Finau and three other blokes big enough to challenge him at six, which is where we're weak!
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Been posted? Quelle surprising that Ta$man are the biggest beneficiary.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/twelve-all-blacks-released-from-rugby-championship-squad/
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Pumas squad -
https://www.instagram.com/unionargentina/p/C-GLXhQA_Di/
