All Blacks vs Argentina I
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Team looks wack. I guess teams will always look a little worse now that so many legends have left NZR again after another world cup cycle.
Hope the locks step up. Va'ai has been a lot better this season. Will be interesting how the scrum goes with a new engine room. Props can only do so much.
Blackadder has to improve quite a bit.
Tele'a being all slippery is cool, but sometimes you just need a bit more pace. Clarke would have been my pick, I hated him before this season, but he has improved so much. J Barrett needs to get a bit more consistent, but love his long drop outs. McKenzie has been pretty good. Always was a fan of ALB, glad he is getting a start. Maybe Rieko in for Tele'a at 60 mins?
Still have a soft spot for Beauden, ever since he burst onto the scene in 2012, no matter how shitty his exit kicks are and how I sometimes scream at the highly illegal stream on my laptop when he does a silly chip - when they come off, I'd suck his balls again.@Tordah said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Still have a soft spot for Beauden, ever since he burst onto the scene in 2012, no matter how shitty his exit kicks are and how I sometimes scream at the highly illegal stream on my laptop when he does a silly chip - when they come off, I'd suck his balls again.
How was it the first tme?
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 **who wrote him off? Back to that reading comprehension again eh.
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But yeah great call. I can't for the life of me think why we can't be positive. Baffles me that Christie was dropped, he's never been exposed.Just let me assume shit and be offended by your comments. Stop trying to correct me with your ‘facts’
You just want Jordan to fail. You should be supporting him.
Still struggling fella! In what world does hoping he doesn't get exposed translate to "man I want that guy to fail"?
Shift the goalposts again if you want to though
Fuck sake.
I hope he has a good game and doesn’t get exposed either.
This isn’t really the fern way but I hate it when we fight
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@MN5 **who wrote him off? Back to that reading comprehension again eh.
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But yeah great call. I can't for the life of me think why we can't be positive. Baffles me that Christie was dropped, he's never been exposed.Just let me assume shit and be offended by your comments. Stop trying to correct me with your ‘facts’
You just want Jordan to fail. You should be supporting him.
Still struggling fella! In what world does hoping he doesn't get exposed translate to "man I want that guy to fail"?
Shift the goalposts again if you want to though
Fuck sake.
I hope he has a good game and doesn’t get exposed either.
This isn’t really the fern way but I hate it when we fight
I hope Blackadder nails their fucking ten too.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
62.5% overlap equals ‘remarkably similar’?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
62.5% overlap equals ‘remarkably similar’?
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
62.5% overlap equals ‘remarkably similar’?
The difference in quality between the ABs pack you've suggested and the Crusaders pack on that day is considerably larger than difference between the Blues pack you quoted and the one from that match, so I'd imagine the ABs pack would dominate by even more.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
62.5% overlap equals ‘remarkably similar’?
The difference in quality between the ABs pack you've suggested and the Crusaders pack on that day is considerably larger than difference between the Blues pack you quoted and the one from that match, so I'd imagine the ABs pack would dominate by even more.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I reckon the Blues pack would probably beat up that AB 8.
Fucking Perenara I am sick of.
Kinda bizarre selections where it is hard to see any consistency in what they are trying to achieve.
Good to see the form midfielder rewarded with a spot at leastOfa/Riccatelli/Renata/Paddy/Darry/Paps/Akira/Hoss vs
EDG/Taylor/Lomax/Scooter//Vaa’i/Cane/Blackadder/RDRoNZ would rule in scrums but wouldn’t get much ball elsewhere?
That's remarkably similar to the Blues pack that got beat up by this Crusaders pack during Super Rugby this year...
62.5% overlap equals ‘remarkably similar’?
The difference in quality between the ABs pack you've suggested and the Crusaders pack on that day is considerably larger than difference between the Blues pack you quoted and the one from that match, so I'd imagine the ABs pack would dominate by even more.
Cohesion says hold my beer.
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Jeysus some of the doom and gloom on here is doing my head in. 3/3
The coaches have recognised the issues at 6/13 and are working on it. They are saying 6 needs a higher work rate and 13 needs to distribute.
A lot to be happy about:
Vaai and Darry have shown some real steel. Building depth there.
Forward bench is strong. Aumua and Sititi are real weapons.
Back bench is strong Ratima- Ioane - Jordan are gamebreakers.When the SA game comes along I see Ratima starting, Proctor or Alb at 13.
I like Reiko but more suited to winger in my mind.
I'd pick fast wingers so that means Reiko, Clarke or Jordan.
When Sititi comes on I hope he goes to 8 and Savea to 6.
Big moment for Blackadder even career defining has to stay fit.You don't see much criticism of DMac on here now. Has cut out the high risk plays and is a fantastic player.
Looking good across the ditch. Schmidt working his magic. Sold out game v SA.
Interest piquing for the Bledisloe. Has to be a good thing@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Jeysus some of the doom and gloom on here is doing my head in.
100 upvotes for this.
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Puma back row averages 6’ 5” and about 110 kegs.
But size isn’t everything.
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@Tordah said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Still have a soft spot for Beauden, ever since he burst onto the scene in 2012, no matter how shitty his exit kicks are and how I sometimes scream at the highly illegal stream on my laptop when he does a silly chip - when they come off, I'd suck his balls again.
How was it the first tme?
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Tordah said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Still have a soft spot for Beauden, ever since he burst onto the scene in 2012, no matter how shitty his exit kicks are and how I sometimes scream at the highly illegal stream on my laptop when he does a silly chip - when they come off, I'd suck his balls again.
How was it the first tme?
I dunno, you'd have to ask him.
I reckon if the ABs win their own lineout ball it'll be an easy win.
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Argentina:
15 Juan Cruz Mallia, 14 Matias Moroni, 13 Luio Cinti, 12 Santiago Chocobares, 11 Mateo Carreras, 10 Santiago Carreras, 9 Gonzalo Bertranou, 8 Juan Martin Gonzalez, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera (captain), 5 Pedro Rubiolo, 4 Franco Molina, 3 Eduardo Bello, 2 Ignacio Ruiz, 1 Thomas Gallo.
Replacements: 16 Agustin Creevy, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Joel Sclavi, 19 Efrain Elias, 20 Tomas Lavanini, 21 Joaquin Oviedo, 22 Lautaro Bazan Velez, 23 Tomas Albornoz. -
Argentina:
15 Juan Cruz Mallia, 14 Matias Moroni, 13 Luio Cinti, 12 Santiago Chocobares, 11 Mateo Carreras, 10 Santiago Carreras, 9 Gonzalo Bertranou, 8 Juan Martin Gonzalez, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera (captain), 5 Pedro Rubiolo, 4 Franco Molina, 3 Eduardo Bello, 2 Ignacio Ruiz, 1 Thomas Gallo.
Replacements: 16 Agustin Creevy, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Joel Sclavi, 19 Efrain Elias, 20 Tomas Lavanini, 21 Joaquin Oviedo, 22 Lautaro Bazan Velez, 23 Tomas Albornoz.@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Argentina:
15 Juan Cruz Mallia, 14 Matias Moroni, 13 Luio Cinti, 12 Santiago Chocobares, 11 Mateo Carreras, 10 Santiago Carreras, 9 Gonzalo Bertranou, 8 Juan Martin Gonzalez, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera (captain), 5 Pedro Rubiolo, 4 Franco Molina, 3 Eduardo Bello, 2 Ignacio Ruiz, 1 Thomas Gallo.
Replacements: 16 Agustin Creevy, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Joel Sclavi, 19 Efrain Elias, 20 Tomas Lavanini, 21 Joaquin Oviedo, 22 Lautaro Bazan Velez, 23 Tomas Albornoz.Three outstanding players in the Argentine backrow.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Argentina:
15 Juan Cruz Mallia, 14 Matias Moroni, 13 Luio Cinti, 12 Santiago Chocobares, 11 Mateo Carreras, 10 Santiago Carreras, 9 Gonzalo Bertranou, 8 Juan Martin Gonzalez, 7 Marcos Kremer, 6 Pablo Matera (captain), 5 Pedro Rubiolo, 4 Franco Molina, 3 Eduardo Bello, 2 Ignacio Ruiz, 1 Thomas Gallo.
Replacements: 16 Agustin Creevy, 17 Mayco Vivas, 18 Joel Sclavi, 19 Efrain Elias, 20 Tomas Lavanini, 21 Joaquin Oviedo, 22 Lautaro Bazan Velez, 23 Tomas Albornoz.Three outstanding players in the Argentine backrow.
@sparky but EB's got a big engine!
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@sparky but EB's got a big engine!
@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@sparky but EB has got a big engine!
And sometimes it even runs on all eight cylinders.
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Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Are any of you guys Ken who texts into SeNz. I’m picking Kirwan or Winger. He certainly has blues bias and no idea.
I think I heard that yesterday, I listen to a bit of senz on my Bluetooth headphones at work sometimes
Said something like ,
all you Blackadder fans are seriously deluded , he might be busy but he isn’t very effective .I laughed to myself and thought of the fern .
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I just can’t wait for the first loss of the new coaching regime. My god are we going to hear you whinging c**ts then.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
I just can’t wait for the first loss of the new coaching regime. My god are we going to hear you whinging c**ts then.
And going by the threads so far.... It will purely be down to not enough Blues and Canes players
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Interesting that Finau will be packing down at lock in AB trading this week.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
Since you asked... and to post some documented stuff.
Ethan has a massive motor.
Best Bronco times:
McCaw: 4.30
Blackadder 4.32 (4.34 in the article below but there's a podcast where he says 4.32)
Papalií 4.45That's pretty good for a guy who's probably slightly bigger than Richie - and will be playing 6.
His best position is 7 (especially at this level). If they picked him and Paps and said go to it, it would’ve been very understandable.
But, he’s picked at 6?
Richie motor doesn’t really equal great AB six.
Btw, I’ll be pleased to be shown I’m wrong if goes great fun’s, but honestly if we want a Crusader 6, it should be either of the other two options.
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Argentina I - 10 August:
Razor continues to have a massive horn for Blackadder. That's all very well but it's time for him to show everyone why now
it's not just Razor. The last group did everything they could to get him involved as well. I wish someone would tell us what we are missing.
Since you asked... and to post some documented stuff.
Ethan has a massive motor.
Best Bronco times:
McCaw: 4.30
Blackadder 4.32 (4.34 in the article below but there's a podcast where he says 4.32)
Papalií 4.45That's pretty good for a guy who's probably slightly bigger than Richie - and will be playing 6.
His best position is 7 (especially at this level). If they picked him and Paps and said go to it, it would’ve been very understandable.
But, he’s picked at 6?
Richie motor doesn’t really equal great AB six.
Btw, I’ll be pleased to be shown I’m wrong if goes great fun’s, but honestly if we want a Crusader 6, it should be either of the other two options.
I'm concerned players are not being given clear roles in this squad. Razor has talked about favouring players that can play more than one position. Against Fiji we had Blackadder starting at 7, and now against Argentina he is starting at 6, a very different position at test level. Why? Against Fiji we had ALB at 12, and he had a very strong game there. Against Argentina we have him starting at 13, again a very different position at test level. Why?
We've seen this strategy fail spectacularly time and again at the top level, and it has ruined players form and confidence. In fact I can't really think of a player that has truly succeeded in regularly playing different positions for the ABs.
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Thinking on that more, maybe they see Blackadder and ALB as primarily bench players, and want to give them time in multiple positions against lesser opposition so they can cover more from the bench at an adequate level?
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My fear with the AB's and it has been for a long time is our lack of ball carriers in the forward pack.
With time and space well can rip anyone apart, but everyone's defensive gameplan is to give us no time and space so we need heavy ball runners to dent to line so we can create space.
I just dont think that the "choose a mobile pack and run everyone off their feet" is a realistic gameplan, especially with a 23 man squad and everyone simply lifting their game as professionalism does. I think that gameplan is outdated.
Now it maybe a case in that we simply don't have the cattle, and were doing the best with the players we have but if that's the case and we havn't got heavy ball runners were going to need some innovation and smart thinking to create space, somehow across the field.
For me that's going to be the main challenge of this coaching group.
