All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
But somebody else needs to give the halftime speeches, DMac should have had a blasting for crap pass no 1 so he didn't go crap pass no 2, same with Ioane, EdG should have been replaced earlier (T Williams still looks solid to me but EdG doesn't look match fit), and for whatever reason Aumua is playing worse and worse.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nta will be gutted he missed that comeback, especially when you consider he’s gone to watch a band who’s sole claim to fame is a shitty cover of ‘Black Betty’
Exactly what I'd expect from someone who only listens to Top 40 radio.
You know that’s not true. Terrible trolling.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@nta will be gutted he missed that comeback, especially when you consider he’s gone to watch a band who’s sole claim to fame is a shitty cover of ‘Black Betty’
Exactly what I'd expect from someone who only listens to Top 40 radio.
You know that’s not true. Terrible trolling.
If the cap fits ... Plus I was just returning the favour on the terrible trolling.
Fucking awesome show I might add
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
He was good in both English tests this year.
He's played 45 tests with a win rate of 80% over 3 coaching regimes.
He offers far more leadership and experience than Darry or Lord.
He also offers go forward up the middle which is something we are desperately missing in the tight five and something neither Darry or Lord offer to the same level.
He was good in the first game. He regressed back to his normal level in the second match. He's been the least effective carrier of the four locks who've had proper minutes this year.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
Whoever plays 10 needs to exert some control. We are attacking well but need to manage things more tactically than we are right now. It's early for SB, as others have said about GOAT, he took a while to become the captain we remember
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
De Groot and Lomax offer nothing in terms of carry go forward.
They've averaged 0.5 metres and 0.4 metres per carry between them. Taylor is only making metres out wide and also offers little up the middle.
Ratima has been up and down.
It doesn't matter who the first five is if the forwards lack the ability to set up a platform through phase play.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
Had those three passes from Dmac stuck / been judged ok, I think it would likely be considered his ‘coming of age’ test.
He needs a good kicking for the first one which was just dumb, the second was partly him, partly that’s a fucking hard pass to get right at that speed, and partly his support giving him even less chance for error. The third was just bad luck - he was hit and just couldn’t quite get rid of it. On the overhead angle there wasn’t much in it at all - I wondered whether they would let it stand until we saw the side on.
As a chiefs fan, it feels very much like a game where so much of our attack is dependent on him (and Ratima) that I cant really blame him for the miracle plays that don’t come off. They were the drivers of almost everything that went right.
His clearances, goal kicking, and general passing were good (one pass to WJ excepted) and if he can improve his execution when it counts I think we are in great shape.
My personal feeling is that all of this is happening three years too late, but I’m not concerned that he is the problem. I do feel that he and WJ don’t make an obvious pair - Jordan’s game feels so much better at 14 where he can still make breaks like yesterday or against Ireland. His positioning at times yesterday was criminal, Dmac would be much better with a more assertive actual international fullback. However, hopefully Jordan will grow into it too.
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
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@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With Surf Features having a bazillion assistant coaches for no apparent reason and even less discernible value, I resorted to Google to double check that Scott Hansen is allegedly the Defence Coach of the All Blacks.
Is it policy that AB's Defence coaches now have to have the first name Scott? And why is the new bloke as useless as McLeod?
Pretty much every time the Australians were hot on attack in our 22, it just seemed we were going to eventually fold and wave them through.
Fuk yeah. No wonder Macca quit. Starting to think Macca should have been the one in charge. Hansen, Ellison ain't cutting the mustard at this level. Mind you having said that, it appears we dont have the cattle to choose from either. Is this the reason they are hanging onto some; looking at you Ardie, TJ, ALB well past their best. So farking frustrating!
@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With Surf Features having a bazillion assistant coaches for no apparent reason and even less discernible value, I resorted to Google to double check that Scott Hansen is allegedly the Defence Coach of the All Blacks.
Is it policy that AB's Defence coaches now have to have the first name Scott? And why is the new bloke as useless as McLeod?
Pretty much every time the Australians were hot on attack in our 22, it just seemed we were going to eventually fold and wave them through.
Fuk yeah. No wonder Macca quit. Starting to think Macca should have been the one in charge. Hansen, Ellison ain't cutting the mustard at this level. Mind you having said that, it appears we dont have the cattle to choose from either. Is this the reason they are hanging onto some; looking at you Ardie, TJ, ALB well past their best. So farking frustrating!
I've been a critic but TJP played bloody well this game - best of bench!
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Random thoughts.
All is not well in Razorland. First and foremost, it seems the ABs are not respecting test rugby.- Not taking points when they are on offer. The default position is now to go for the corner regardless of the situation. In the McCaw days, points first and the corner would be taken when the situation demanded it.
- Turning off and letting in soft tries usually up the middle. It seems the ABs have a soft belly.
- Trying fancy slip passes, stupid brainfart passes.
- Not protecting the ball at all costs and losing possession at crucial times.
- Poor exits that put the pressure right back on immediately. Every time there is a 50/50 defensive up and under from the ABs own 22 or they try multiple phases in front of their sticks, I just shake my head in astonishment.
It is a f#%king test match, not super rugby! FFS!
Second, I think it is obvious that Savea is a really good player but poor No.8. He needs to be a bench option or position change. Darry and Aumua are stinking up the impact role. Be bold in selections Razor!
Third, the rugby gods are angry at the ABs. TMOs are inventing ghost knock ons, tries are "held up", Aussie props are not taking the weight- not contesting, basically lady luck has deserted the ABs. They need to sacrifice something at the altar of the rugby gods.
Silver linings
Ratima, Jordan, Vaai, Riko, Clarke (apart from brainfart), Siviti
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Random thoughts.
All is not well in Razorland. First and foremost, it seems the ABs are not respecting test rugby.- Not taking points when they are on offer. The default position is now to go for the corner regardless of the situation. In the McCaw days, points first and the corner would be taken when the situation demanded it.
- Turning off and letting in soft tries usually up the middle. It seems the ABs have a soft belly.
- Trying fancy slip passes, stupid brainfart passes.
- Not protecting the ball at all costs and losing possession at crucial times.
- Poor exits that put the pressure right back on immediately. Every time there is a 50/50 defensive up and under from the ABs own 22 or they try multiple phases in front of their sticks, I just shake my head in astonishment.
It is a f#%king test match, not super rugby! FFS!
Second, I think it is obvious that Savea is a really good player but poor No.8. He needs to be a bench option or position change. Darry and Aumua are stinking up the impact role. Be bold in selections Razor!
Third, the rugby gods are angry at the ABs. TMOs are inventing ghost knock ons, tries are "held up", Aussie props are not taking the weight- not contesting, basically lady luck has deserted the ABs. They need to sacrifice something at the altar of the rugby gods.
Silver linings
Ratima, Jordan, Vaai, Riko, Clarke (apart from brainfart), Siviti
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Random thoughts.
All is not well in Razorland. First and foremost, it seems the ABs are not respecting test rugby.- Not taking points when they are on offer. The default position is now to go for the corner regardless of the situation. In the McCaw days, points first and the corner would be taken when the situation demanded it.
With our shit exits I almost prefer us to.go to the corner rather than give up field position for three points.
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Some mention of players not being in their optimal positions and that is 100% correct. We have a fullback playing flyhalf, a winger playing centre, another winger playing fullback and a flanker playing no. 8.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
Agree, but that is a minor issue. There are plenty of good wingers about the place. Narawa or Tavatavanawai I think would be worth a crack.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
Agree, but that is a minor issue. There are plenty of good wingers about the place. Narawa or Tavatavanawai I think would be worth a crack.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
If Jordan stays at FB we still need to find a right winger. Reece wasn't great and I blame him for butchering the try as he was far too flat to receive the DMac pass. Telea has also looked below par.
Tavatavanawai I think would be worth a crack.
He's the stocky power house winger isn't he? If I am thnking of the right guy I don't think he is quick enough. He probably won't be able to break takles like he does at NPC and Super level, and given his lack of speed it'll be Telea and Reece all over again.
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Just on the ground atmosphere to settle the debate between @Landers92 and @mariner4life , I can confirm it was pretty flat for the most part.
Aussies (and kiwis) are pretty quiet generally, and the stadium layout at Homebush is also pretty shit. Those high but low-angle make for big distances for the guys in the nose-bleeds
Other than for tries, the 3 notable times that the crowd made some noise was:
- Slipper coming on for his 140th cap;
- A random “All Blacks” chant in the last 20 that drowned out the aussies completely; and
- when the ground tv guy found and replayed the DMac forward pop pass and put it on loop on the big screen
In between play the dj did what all ground dj’s do and drowned out all other sound , but when the ball was in play, for the most part it was really quiet. Quiet enough for me to comment to my daughter about it
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Just on the ground atmosphere to settle the debate between @Landers92 and @mariner4life , I can confirm it was pretty flat for the most part.
Aussies (and kiwis) are pretty quiet generally, and the stadium layout at Homebush is also pretty shit. Those high but low-angle make for big distances for the guys in the nose-bleeds
Other than for tries, the 3 notable times that the crowd made some noise was:
- Slipper coming on for his 140th cap;
- A random “All Blacks” chant in the last 20 that drowned out the aussies completely; and
- when the ground tv guy found and replayed the DMac forward pop pass and put it on loop on the big screen
In between play the dj did what all ground dj’s do and drowned out all other sound , but when the ball was in play, for the most part it was really quiet. Quiet enough for me to comment to my daughter about it
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Just on the ground atmosphere to settle the debate between @Landers92 and @mariner4life , I can confirm it was pretty flat for the most part.
Aussies (and kiwis) are pretty quiet generally, and the stadium layout at Homebush is also pretty shit. Those high but low-angle make for big distances for the guys in the nose-bleeds
Other than for tries, the 3 notable times that the crowd made some noise was:
- Slipper coming on for his 140th cap;
- A random “All Blacks” chant in the last 20 that drowned out the aussies completely; and
- when the ground tv guy found and replayed the DMac forward pop pass and put it on loop on the big screen
In between play the dj did what all ground dj’s do and drowned out all other sound , but when the ball was in play, for the most part it was really quiet. Quiet enough for me to comment to my daughter about it
Busy day yesterday, did you manage to fit your nap in ? If so what time ?
