All Blacks vs Wallabies I
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Random thoughts.
All is not well in Razorland. First and foremost, it seems the ABs are not respecting test rugby.- Not taking points when they are on offer. The default position is now to go for the corner regardless of the situation. In the McCaw days, points first and the corner would be taken when the situation demanded it.
Funnily enough a decision to take the three at 28-14 turned out to be quite handy, so not sure this is entirely true.
And had they converted most, if not all the certain tries they didn't score, taking the 3 was immaterial.
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Random thoughts.
All is not well in Razorland. First and foremost, it seems the ABs are not respecting test rugby.- Not taking points when they are on offer. The default position is now to go for the corner regardless of the situation. In the McCaw days, points first and the corner would be taken when the situation demanded it.
Funnily enough a decision to take the three at 28-14 turned out to be quite handy, so not sure this is entirely true.
And had they converted most, if not all the certain tries they didn't score, taking the 3 was immaterial.
But they never do, because they lack clear heads, calmness in action, and leadership in direction. With Razor going 'oh that's awesome' no on eis going to try to improve from playing Harlem Globetrotters without the skills to back it up
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The overlooked one will be Ardie
We had them on the rack and were showing patience and he tries to bulldoze through 3 or 4 Wallabies - predictably he is held up and it's a goal line drop out.
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
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Statistically we should be leading TRC, assuming these are accurate.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
No that is 1/2 of the game after halftime.
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The overlooked one will be Ardie
We had them on the rack and were showing patience and he tries to bulldoze through 3 or 4 Wallabies - predictably he is held up and it's a goal line drop out.
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The overlooked one will be Ardie
We had them on the rack and were showing patience and he tries to bulldoze through 3 or 4 Wallabies - predictably he is held up and it's a goal line drop out.
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
He's an awesome player but I was at the ground and that all took place near me. I couldn't believe they didn't pass from the ruck. It was a brain melt and a blown try for sure, especially now you don't get the 5m scrum for being held up.
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My thoughts: what a weird game.
It felt like watching the Wallabies vs Georgia, except the ABs were the Wallabies and we were Georgia. A few soft early scores and the foot was clearly taken off the gas.
Then the plucky minnows rally and for a while you think 'well at least they are making a game of it' until it starts to get a little too close. You keep kicking to the corners instead of taking the points. You're still throwing flick passes but the game is still fkn alive. Just kill the bastards.
And now you're giving away dumb penalties, and they start to get a bit of self belief. 'They couldn't win this' becomes 'oh god they might actually win this' until you just hang on and think 'by god how did they almost win that'.
Credit to our blokes for showing a bit of ticker but the ABs blew at least four rolled gold tries and should have won by 30.
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The overlooked one will be Ardie
We had them on the rack and were showing patience and he tries to bulldoze through 3 or 4 Wallabies - predictably he is held up and it's a goal line drop out.
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
It's one of the reasons I like this rule. If you play too narrow or are selfish (like Savea) you look even more stupid being held up. Usually there is space out wide which is ignored.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
It's one of the reasons I like this rule. If you play too narrow or are selfish (like Savea) you look even more stupid being held up. Usually there is space out wide which is ignored.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
With the goal line drop out rule it was a poor decision by one of the old heads.
It's one of the reasons I like this rule. If you play too narrow or are selfish (like Savea) you look even more stupid being held up. Usually there is space out wide which is ignored.
I 100% agree.
It's much better than old rule where the ball would be stuck in a cycle of held up - scrum - held up.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
There’s something wrong with the mental aspect of what’s happening in the last 20. It’s not necessarily a “plan”. Fear, desire, lack of confidence, trying too hard even, is leading to errors, poor execution and decision making.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
There’s something wrong with the mental aspect of what’s happening in the last 20. It’s not necessarily a “plan”. Fear, desire, lack of confidence, trying too hard even, is leading to errors, poor execution and decision making.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Have watched the 2nd half.
The ABs were a handful of brain farts from a 30 point win.
Exactly. But coach went surfing or something.
The captain and leaders. The coach wasn’t on the field.
I assume he's present for the halftime break though. Time for adjustments yet we don't seem to have a clue in the final 1/4 of games
He wasn’t on the field for the final quarter which is exactly the point! We don’t score in the last 20 and we let sides get over us. That is 1/4 of the game after half time.
After all the games in a row this has happened, you would think we should at least see some semblence of a plan
There’s something wrong with the mental aspect of what’s happening in the last 20. It’s not necessarily a “plan”. Fear, desire, lack of confidence, trying too hard even, is leading to errors, poor execution and decision making.
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Shit, that really feels like a loss.
Sorry aussies - that sounds really arrogant even to myself.
But it does... I've genuinely got that empty feeling that comes with a loss.@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Sorry aussies - that sounds really arrogant even to myself.
Fuck oath it does ya drongo!
But it does... I've genuinely got that empty feeling that comes with a loss.
The emptiness you have is the naggig feeling that NZ Rugby is going backwards despite the wins continuing and the smiles on the faces of those lifting a trophy they retained by 3 points.
You're looking back at the halcyon days of your all-time best team and wondering when that will return.
And then you look forward, and see a shrinking footprint where money appears to be the only motivator in a system that is refusing to change anywhere but the top level.
You're wondering if it can be fixed.
I know that feeling because I've been thinking that for ~15 years now, looking at the Wallabies side that couldn't stop tripping over wins thanks mainly to the intersection of ridiculously experienced and capable talent and management.
The fix is to actually look at the whole pathway, but while our professional and grassroots games are separated in such a fashion, and schools rugby is allowed to run its own race, and nobody thinks anything is wrong, this decay will continue.
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@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Sorry aussies - that sounds really arrogant even to myself.
Fuck oath it does ya drongo!
But it does... I've genuinely got that empty feeling that comes with a loss.
The emptiness you have is the naggig feeling that NZ Rugby is going backwards despite the wins continuing and the smiles on the faces of those lifting a trophy they retained by 3 points.
You're looking back at the halcyon days of your all-time best team and wondering when that will return.
And then you look forward, and see a shrinking footprint where money appears to be the only motivator in a system that is refusing to change anywhere but the top level.
You're wondering if it can be fixed.
I know that feeling because I've been thinking that for ~15 years now, looking at the Wallabies side that couldn't stop tripping over wins thanks mainly to the intersection of ridiculously experienced and capable talent and management.
The fix is to actually look at the whole pathway, but while our professional and grassroots games are separated in such a fashion, and schools rugby is allowed to run its own race, and nobody thinks anything is wrong, this decay will continue.
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@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@NTA that's a great post apart from misspelling halcyon
No idea what you're talking about....
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Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
But somebody else needs to give the halftime speeches, DMac should have had a blasting for crap pass no 1 so he didn't go crap pass no 2, same with Ioane, EdG should have been replaced earlier (T Williams still looks solid to me but EdG doesn't look match fit), and for whatever reason Aumua is playing worse and worse.
Glad to see our lineouts were a weapon but surprised they didn't try to have more of them.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
Some posters seem to forget we played with 13 men at a key part of the game.
Don't think anyone's forgotten the poor discipline at key parts of the game we've seen creeping back in.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Machpants It's his lack of honesty that is most surprising.
Most other All Black coaches would have said something like "played poorly, still won, lots to work on." Robertson tried to spin it as some sort of great and historic victory. Does he think the NZ Rugby public are fools?
I'm not sure if it is lack of honesty, that may just be his personality - the way he looks at things, always positive. But it is not realistic enough for test match rugby IMO
This is just a media tactic. Do you seriously think that a guy who won seven Super Rugby titles in a row can't see what everyone else can. Positive in front facing, honest behind closed doors.
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought. There is no doubt a few limitations in the playing departments, but I think the big positive is we have started to work out some of them.
Taylor and the props are going well, now just need to nail our backup hooker. Aumua has been disappointing, so I'd like to see them give Bell a go.
Locks are going great, we have found answers in Vaa'i and Darry
Sititi has somewhat answered the blindside flanker problem, the loose trio is looking the best it has all year. Long term I think he will shift to 8, and Lakai and possibly Haig will join the fray, but it is at least looking balanced now.
Ratima going great, but the halves is our main issue. TJP is leaving, but they don't seem to have much faith in Hotham. All the eggs are in the Roigard getting back up to speed quickly basket. McKenzie just isn't quite there. Plummer should get a crack next week.
I think once we sort out a good first five, we'll quickly look really good again. With a dominant first five we control that game and win it easily.
Rest of the backline is going fine, and will improve with the rest of the team. Was good to see Will Jordan play well last night.
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
I think there is a bit of acceptance that getting the ABs back to number one is going to be harder than they thought.
Well, if this year has done anything, it's comprehensively dispelled the myth that NZ has all the cattle, all is fine in NZ rugby land and all that was needed to restore balance to the universe (AKA AB's at No.1) was to change the Head Coach. This is a good thing.
There are some good signs with newer players slotting in really well and others brought into the team in the last 2 years or so, maturing and stepping up, but most of the old problems - focus, maturity, on-field leadership, discipline at key moments - are still there and, frankly, don't look close to be resolved or seem to be getting worse.
Robertson and co. can tell us "a win, is a win is a win" but the lack of progress or backwards direction in those latter, crucial things is really worrying. Really need an acknowledgement and focus there.
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The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
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The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
The match would have been completely different had Jordie's try not been disallowed for an imaginary knock-on. This would have completely discouraged the Wallabies. Would that have been a good thing? No doubt for confidence, but perhaps not for the awareness that international rugby is not Super Rugby.
It would have changed this thread for sure. It started off as this game is so shit because we're walking over them and they suck, then moved to this game is so shit because we're not walking over them and we suck.
