All Blacks 2025
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I agree with Hinton
It's not necessarily the NZR decision to not support an ANZAC Bledisloe that annoys me it's Robinson's god awful communication style.
His PR skills are abysmal and are not improving - I don't think he understands the concept of "perception = reality".
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I agree with Hinton
It's not necessarily the NZR decision to not support an ANZAC Bledisloe that annoys me it's Robinson's god awful communication style.
His PR skills are abysmal and are not improving - I don't think he understands the concept of "perception = reality".
@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2025:
Over halfway through the season now so going to have a go at what a 34-man All Blacks squad might look like...
Hookers - Codie Taylor, Asafo Aumua, Samisoni Taukei'aho
Props - Ethan de Groot, Tamaiti Williams, Tyrel Lomax, Fletcher Newell, Pasilio Tosi
Locks - Scott Barrett, Tupou Vaa'i, two of Josh Lord, Patrick Tuipulotu and Josh Beehre*
Loose forwards - Ardie Savea, Ethan Blackadder, Wallace Sititi, Luke Jacobson, Peter Lakai, Cam Christie*
Halfbacks - Cam Roigard, Cortez Ratima, Noah Hotham
First fives - Damian McKenzie, Beauden Barrett, Xavi Taele*
Midfield - Jordie Barrett, Rieko Ioane, Anton Lienert-Brown, Quinn Tupaea
Outside backs - Will Jordan, Caleb Clarke, Ruben Love, Mark Tele'a, Sevu ReecePossibly another prop or loose forward instead of a midfielder/outside back. Obviously still a lot of time for players to get injured/come into form/lose form completely.
Feels a bit absurd to pick three Blues as the only debutants but think they've all been pretty good (in the case of Beehre/Christie) or shown immense promise - I can see Taele being a long-term option at 10.
Reece probably the luckiest of the bunch based on last year's form, this year's form, and the strength that NZ has in the outside backs but he's a Razor-favourite. Tangitau needs to back up next year (or in the NPC) to win a spot for my mind.
You wouldn't happen to support the Blues?
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@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
I agree Hinton stuffs up his own argument. First he said that NZR were quite keen, which is what Robinson said last year. and now because NZR have said it doesn't add up is hardly a wave of the hand dismissal. He seems to avoid one of the reasons given for it to be a goer , it was annually, and would always be in Australia. Also noticed Wilson and Marshall avoided that fact when they talked about how good it would be in the new stadium in Christchurch.
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Luke Jacobson for mine is the forward version of Anton lienert-Brown, would love to have them in my super rugby side but at All Black level I'm less enthusiastic about them
@Grooter said in All Blacks 2025:
Luke Jacobson for mine is the forward version of Anton lienert-Brown, would love to have them in my super rugby side but at All Black level I'm less enthusiastic about them
Neither are anything like the best player in the world in their position, but both do a job when needed. I am relaxed about having a few players like that in the wider AB squad.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
I agree Hinton stuffs up his own argument. First he said that NZR were quite keen, which is what Robinson said last year. and now because NZR have said it doesn't add up is hardly a wave of the hand dismissal. He seems to avoid one of the reasons given for it to be a goer , it was annually, and would always be in Australia. Also noticed Wilson and Marshall avoided that fact when they talked about how good it would be in the new stadium in Christchurch.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
which is what Robinson said last year. and now because NZR have said it doesn't add up is hardly a wave of the hand dismissal. He seems to avoid one of the reasons given for it to be a goer , it was annually, and would always be in Australia.
The issue is - Robinson doesn't make this clear
So again we get back to his poor comm skills
By saying - "it doesn't stack up" it comes across as dismissive.
The man has no idea how to control a narrative.
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Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
which is what Robinson said last year. and now because NZR have said it doesn't add up is hardly a wave of the hand dismissal. He seems to avoid one of the reasons given for it to be a goer , it was annually, and would always be in Australia.
The issue is - Robinson doesn't make this clear
So again we get back to his poor comm skills
By saying - "it doesn't stack up" it comes across as dismissive.
The man has no idea how to control a narrative.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
which is what Robinson said last year. and now because NZR have said it doesn't add up is hardly a wave of the hand dismissal. He seems to avoid one of the reasons given for it to be a goer , it was annually, and would always be in Australia.
The issue is - Robinson doesn't make this clear
So again we get back to his poor comm skills
By saying - "it doesn't stack up" it comes across as dismissive.
The man has no idea how to control a narrative.
Read his whole statement mate, he doesn't just say it doesn't stack up, but lists reasons why. Because that article doesn't even mention what was actually said , and he actually says it not viable at this stage. He also said playing away from home every year was appropriate. Gives quite a number of reasons, and say "at this moment it doesn't stack up"
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Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
Thoughts ?@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
Thoughts ?Just to clarify, within the bounds you've listed, that the difference between both could be 1000 grams? The difference is drinking a bottle of water...
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
Thoughts ?Just to clarify, within the bounds you've listed, that the difference between both could be 1000 grams? The difference is drinking a bottle of water...
@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
Thoughts ?Just to clarify, within the bounds you've listed, that the difference between both could be 1000 grams? The difference is drinking a bottle of water...
or having a massive dump
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@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph his PR skills might suck, in fact his entire tenure concerns me as to his capability to perform the role. But I find Hinton's article full of unfounded premises.
Where's the evidence that another Bledisloe Cup magically turns into a massive money spinner just because it's held on a certain date?
Why would SR clubs support a venture that takes away players during a competition when they could have an injury crisis?
If it requires a Test during SR to capture the attention of the rugby public, why aren't they addressing the problem with SR?
The fact Robinson appears to have consulted with stakeholders is the opposite of a "wave-of-the-hand type dismissal".
I have had similar thoughts.
We all now we moved away from having 3 tests with Aus a year due to over familiarity and interest dropping. I dont see why everyone will want it because it is held on anzac day.
Why dont they do something completely unique?
Have a super round on anzac weekend 4 aussie teams vs 4 kiwi teams in the same stadium. (Or saturday - 2 games in sudney/ sunday 2 games in Perth) and play for the Anzac cup. Country with the most wins in the weeknd, wins the cup.
Its unique, its country vs country for an additional prize in super rigby (bit like The triple crown in the 6 nstions)
This might sound daft but it took me 2 minutes to think of this and i prefer it over another bledisloe test
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Need some help regarding Stats ,i am having a debate with a guy who reckons Luke Jacobson is 6’3 110 kgs plus
Having meet both Luke Javobson and Ethan Blackadder ,i though Ethan was a chuncky 6’1-6’2 , 108-110 build where Javobson looked more around the 6’1-6’2 maybe 105-107kgs
Anyone else shed some light , i have seenna picture of Jacobson standing next to Sam Cane ,and Cane looked a bigger body and taller
Thoughts ?@Steven-Harris Jacobson is listed as 1.91 m and 107 kg. Seems about right to me. Cane is shorter.
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@Steven-Harris Jacobson is listed as 1.91 m and 107 kg. Seems about right to me. Cane is shorter.
@Bovidae for me Jacobson has quite a wiry shape he is athletic which means he can play in all 3 positions and is extremley mobile but i dont see him as an out and out impact player , Blackadder very similar ..
Gee i look at what the Wallabies can have got in terms of impact in the loose forwards off the bench and i have got to say it looks better than what we have -
@Bovidae for me Jacobson has quite a wiry shape he is athletic which means he can play in all 3 positions and is extremley mobile but i dont see him as an out and out impact player , Blackadder very similar ..
Gee i look at what the Wallabies can have got in terms of impact in the loose forwards off the bench and i have got to say it looks better than what we have@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae for me Jacobson has quite a wiry shape he is athletic which means he can play in all 3 positions and is extremley mobile but i dont see him as an out and out impact player , Blackadder very similar ..
Gee i look at what the Wallabies can have got in terms of impact in the loose forwards off the bench and i have got to say it looks better than what we haveJacobsen, Blackadder and Papalii are all much of a muchness in terms of size but none of them really consistently play like it.
Judging by this I'd put the average weight of the three of them at about 108.15kg.
I'd have a more accurate gauge if Nepo Laulala got out of the photo
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae for me Jacobson has quite a wiry shape he is athletic which means he can play in all 3 positions and is extremley mobile but i dont see him as an out and out impact player , Blackadder very similar ..
Gee i look at what the Wallabies can have got in terms of impact in the loose forwards off the bench and i have got to say it looks better than what we haveJacobsen, Blackadder and Papalii are all much of a muchness in terms of size but none of them really consistently play like it.
Judging by this I'd put the average weight of the three of them at about 108.15kg.
I'd have a more accurate gauge if Nepo Laulala got out of the photo
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Bovidae for me Jacobson has quite a wiry shape he is athletic which means he can play in all 3 positions and is extremley mobile but i dont see him as an out and out impact player , Blackadder very similar ..
Gee i look at what the Wallabies can have got in terms of impact in the loose forwards off the bench and i have got to say it looks better than what we haveJacobsen, Blackadder and Papalii are all much of a muchness in terms of size but none of them really consistently play like it.
Judging by this I'd put the average weight of the three of them at about 108.15kg.
I'd have a more accurate gauge if Nepo Laulala got out of the photo
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@MN5 Nepo is 6ft , was standing beside him with a friend who was the same height ..so for me they all look much of a muchness
All around 6’2@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Nepo is 6ft , was standing beside him with a friend who was the same height ..so for me they all look much of a muchness
All around 6’2Na they’d all be closer to 6 3 than 6 2.
I’d need Ardie Savea standing nearby to confirm this though
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@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 Nepo is 6ft , was standing beside him with a friend who was the same height ..so for me they all look much of a muchness
All around 6’2Na they’d all be closer to 6 3 than 6 2.
I’d need Ardie Savea standing nearby to confirm this though
@MN5 one thing it does confirm we are pretty small compared to other international teams nothing new but the modern game is about gain line and physicality .
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@MN5 one thing it does confirm we are pretty small compared to other international teams nothing new but the modern game is about gain line and physicality .
Just out interest how tall is Ardie ?@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 one thing it does confirm we are pretty small compared to other international teams nothing new but the modern game is about gain line and physicality .
Yeah and there's massive question marks on all three of those guys in terms of that.
Ardie is exactly 74.25 inches tall. They're all about 75 inches.
