All Blacks 2025
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@rewa267 said in All Blacks 2025:
Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
Don't let @Bones hear you say that
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@Jet cant disagree to much with your starting XV but i personally would start Patrick Tuipulotu with Fabien Holland because against the Springboks we will require a big ball carrying lock
Lord has been superb but for me i would like to see a more size in the tight five
I will say thats a very impactful bench@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet cant disagree to much with your starting XV but i personally would start Patrick Tuipulotu with Fabien Holland because against the Springboks we will require a big ball carrying lock
Lord has been superb but for me i would like to see a more size in the tight five
I will say thats a very impactful benchI didnt list a team my friend.
Think it was @frugby who put the work in.
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Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
@rewa267 said in All Blacks 2025:
Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
Clarke's a bit of a myth. A winger who isn't really a second fullback nor an elite try-scorer. We can do better.
Jordan has shown an inability to create for others from 15.
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@rewa267 said in All Blacks 2025:
Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
Clarke's a bit of a myth. A winger who isn't really a second fullback nor an elite try-scorer. We can do better.
Jordan has shown an inability to create for others from 15.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@rewa267 said in All Blacks 2025:
Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
Clarke's a bit of a myth. A winger who isn't really a second fullback nor an elite try-scorer. We can do better.
Jordan has shown an inability to create for others from 15.
That's a bit of a weird take. Clarke has been our best winger this year, his main problem seems to be staying fit to play more than a few games.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@rewa267 said in All Blacks 2025:
Don’t think Jordie Barrett’s a 15. I would have Will Jordan at Fullback. Leicester at centre and Caleb Clarke on the left wing. Folau Fakatava as the backup 9 over Ratima. Big issue is Roigards health
Clarke's a bit of a myth. A winger who isn't really a second fullback nor an elite try-scorer. We can do better.
Jordan has shown an inability to create for others from 15.
That's a bit of a weird take. Clarke has been our best winger this year, his main problem seems to be staying fit to play more than a few games.
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It's not complicated. Pick our best players and regain our steel. And our results will improve by 10-15 points per game.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
It's not complicated. Pick our best players and regain our steel. And our results will improve by 10-15 points per game.
Well that's the problem though isn't it? That won't happen unless selection is taken out of Razor's hands
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Problem is the playing group is as hard to get out of as it is in to.
Then there are the favourites and the outsiders.
Seems stupid guys like Papali’i, Fakatava, Sotutu (don't want to drag that debate back) and a couple of others who should have been re-looked at have just been left on the shelf.
While some of the favourites like ALB, several of the loosies, Reiko, Reece etc have ben persevered with.
Certainly is an in group and an out of favour group.
From what I have been told Razor is a really difficult task master of his management group too. Which makes things very difficult.
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Time to cast the net ahead. How do you fix this? There is so much wrong with this team when you dig down into it. Who knows who will be coach, but here's my two sense worth.
Captain
Scott Barrett is a problem - but this is a problem which has plagued the All Blacks for the best part of eight years. Since give or take the end of 2018, for the best part of the period our captain has arguably only been in the team because he is well, the captain. Read was done by 2019, Cane struggled for consistent form from 2020-2023, and Scott Barrett has never really grasped it. This needs to be nipped in the bud. You could go Codie Taylor or Ardie Savea, but I just think this team is screaming out for something totally fresh. I'm not in the environment, but I'd be looking at co-captains. One issue we have, is there are few ABs right now who are guaranteed starters, who are also going to play most of the game. It could be a risk, but I'd go with Tupou Vaa'i and Jordie Barrett as co-captains.With a new captain instilled, we need to focus on a harder edge, so how does this effect the playing squad?
Front Row
Prop is one position where we are fine. All the props we have used this year outside of Lomax have been good, and Lomax is presumably just a form issue. Codie Taylor still has plenty of value as the starting hooker, but I think it is all to play for in behind him. Samisoni Taukei'aho is a good ball carrier, but his lineout and scrummaging work doesn't really seem to be up to scratch. Given Aumua can't stay fit, I think it is time to find out how good George Bell really is. Whether he was brought in prematurely is irrelevant now. FWIW, I would start him next week, but going forward, he is surely a big part of the All Blacks.Lock
Having lost the captaincy, I think the writing is on the rule for Scooter in this regime. Fabian Holland, Tupou Vaa'i and Patrick Tuipulotu have vastly outplayed him this year, and Josh Lord has arguably been the player of the Northern Tour. That's your four locks, and if you should need a fifth one if Vaa'i is required on the blindside, that is Sam DarryLoose Forward
We need to be a tougher in the loose I feel. I think Vaa'i offers that hard edge, so in the absence of a better option, I'd play him on the blindside. Lakai shifts to seven, with Sititi at eight. How to bulk out the squad? Ardie definitely still of value off the bench, so you need two more - a blindside and another number eight. I can't understand why Lio-Willie was sidelined - he come back in as the other number eight. We are on the lookout for a big fucker to do the hard yards at six. Flanders, Howden, Haig, Stodart shape as the ones to watch through Super for me. Parker has been a massive let down, and Kirifi probably never should have been picked in the first place. Jacobson can't stay fit so he is moved on tooHalfback
Cam Roigard has been the All Blacks best player this year, but at what stage does his fitness start to become a bit of a concern? Regardless, he is clearly number one. The current retards get what they deserve for backing Ratima and Christie. The other two next year should be whichever two of Pledger, Fakatava and Hotham have the best Super campaigns.First Five
Beauden Barrett has to go. Has to go. He is simply too inconsistent. I think in the absence of an obvious better option, for the moment you'd have to lean for McKenzie at 10, but also in a remoddelled ABs, you could opt for a different style of 10. I remain unconvinced in Jacomb's kicking abilities, and Reihana is a bit beige and I think would come unstuck when challenged with the pace of test rugby. One to follow across Super Rugby.The Rest of the Backline
Jordie Barrett has been instilled as captain, and remains an obvious starter - but where? Lets kill two birds with one stone. Will Jordan is the world's best winger, but he isn't a top-line playmaker. We also can't catch the high ball. Move Jordie back to 15. That leaves spaces at 12, 13 and on the left wing. I think Quinn Tupaea has plenty to offer with a consistent run, so he plays at 12.For mine, Proctor has been the letdown of the year, and is not worth persisting with.
Tavatavanawai and Fainga'anuku both lack the top line pace to be starting wingers, and lack the direction to be your starting centre, but they are the ideal players to have on the bench to provide punch.
ALB is done, and needs to be moved on. Ioane is also past his best, but is our best defensive centre currently available. I'd be looking at him and Brayden Ennor, who should have been brought back into the fold for this end of year tour.
As for the other winger spot, you are looking for a lethal left winger. Caleb Tangitau is that guy. He might have deficiencies, but there is no substitute for pure pace and power. Carter is workmanlike, but lacks X-Factor for me.
I like Narawa and Clarke as squad options.
There will obviously be guys through Super Rugby who put their hand up, and I think at hooker and in the midfield the chance is really there for someone to bolt through the door. I think they will take 43 players on the big tour, and here is a potential new-look squad. Some of the squad picks are wildly speculative, but you get the idea.
A potential new look All Blacks to tour South Africa next year
- Ethan de Groot
- Codie Taylor
- Fletcher Newell
- Josh Lord
- Fabian Holland
- Tupou Vaa'i (c)
- Peter Lakai
- Wallace Sititi
- Cam Roigard
- Damian McKenzie
- Caleb Tangitau
- Quinn Tupaea
- Brayden Ennor
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett (c)
- George Bell
- Tamaiti Williams
- Pasilio Tosi
- Patrick Tuipulotu
- Ardie Savea
- Dylan Pledger
- Ruben Love
- Timoci Tavatavanawai
Spare Props: Ollie Norris, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Fusitua, George Dyer
Spare Hookers: Samisoni Taukei'aho, Jack Taylor
Spare Locks: Sam Darry, Josh Beehre
Spare Loose Forwards: Will Stodart, Dalton Papalii, Christian Lio-Willie, Devan Flanders
Spare Halfbacks: Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
Spare First Five: Josh Jacomb
Spare Midfielders: Dallas McLeod, Rieko Ioane
Spare Outside Backs: Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa, Jacob Ratumaitavuki Kneepkens@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Time to cast the net ahead. How do you fix this? There is so much wrong with this team when you dig down into it. Who knows who will be coach, but here's my two sense worth.
Captain
Scott Barrett is a problem - but this is a problem which has plagued the All Blacks for the best part of eight years. Since give or take the end of 2018, for the best part of the period our captain has arguably only been in the team because he is well, the captain. Read was done by 2019, Cane struggled for consistent form from 2020-2023, and Scott Barrett has never really grasped it. This needs to be nipped in the bud. You could go Codie Taylor or Ardie Savea, but I just think this team is screaming out for something totally fresh. I'm not in the environment, but I'd be looking at co-captains. One issue we have, is there are few ABs right now who are guaranteed starters, who are also going to play most of the game. It could be a risk, but I'd go with Tupou Vaa'i and Jordie Barrett as co-captains.With a new captain instilled, we need to focus on a harder edge, so how does this effect the playing squad?
Front Row
Prop is one position where we are fine. All the props we have used this year outside of Lomax have been good, and Lomax is presumably just a form issue. Codie Taylor still has plenty of value as the starting hooker, but I think it is all to play for in behind him. Samisoni Taukei'aho is a good ball carrier, but his lineout and scrummaging work doesn't really seem to be up to scratch. Given Aumua can't stay fit, I think it is time to find out how good George Bell really is. Whether he was brought in prematurely is irrelevant now. FWIW, I would start him next week, but going forward, he is surely a big part of the All Blacks.Lock
Having lost the captaincy, I think the writing is on the rule for Scooter in this regime. Fabian Holland, Tupou Vaa'i and Patrick Tuipulotu have vastly outplayed him this year, and Josh Lord has arguably been the player of the Northern Tour. That's your four locks, and if you should need a fifth one if Vaa'i is required on the blindside, that is Sam DarryLoose Forward
We need to be a tougher in the loose I feel. I think Vaa'i offers that hard edge, so in the absence of a better option, I'd play him on the blindside. Lakai shifts to seven, with Sititi at eight. How to bulk out the squad? Ardie definitely still of value off the bench, so you need two more - a blindside and another number eight. I can't understand why Lio-Willie was sidelined - he come back in as the other number eight. We are on the lookout for a big fucker to do the hard yards at six. Flanders, Howden, Haig, Stodart shape as the ones to watch through Super for me. Parker has been a massive let down, and Kirifi probably never should have been picked in the first place. Jacobson can't stay fit so he is moved on tooHalfback
Cam Roigard has been the All Blacks best player this year, but at what stage does his fitness start to become a bit of a concern? Regardless, he is clearly number one. The current retards get what they deserve for backing Ratima and Christie. The other two next year should be whichever two of Pledger, Fakatava and Hotham have the best Super campaigns.First Five
Beauden Barrett has to go. Has to go. He is simply too inconsistent. I think in the absence of an obvious better option, for the moment you'd have to lean for McKenzie at 10, but also in a remoddelled ABs, you could opt for a different style of 10. I remain unconvinced in Jacomb's kicking abilities, and Reihana is a bit beige and I think would come unstuck when challenged with the pace of test rugby. One to follow across Super Rugby.The Rest of the Backline
Jordie Barrett has been instilled as captain, and remains an obvious starter - but where? Lets kill two birds with one stone. Will Jordan is the world's best winger, but he isn't a top-line playmaker. We also can't catch the high ball. Move Jordie back to 15. That leaves spaces at 12, 13 and on the left wing. I think Quinn Tupaea has plenty to offer with a consistent run, so he plays at 12.For mine, Proctor has been the letdown of the year, and is not worth persisting with.
Tavatavanawai and Fainga'anuku both lack the top line pace to be starting wingers, and lack the direction to be your starting centre, but they are the ideal players to have on the bench to provide punch.
ALB is done, and needs to be moved on. Ioane is also past his best, but is our best defensive centre currently available. I'd be looking at him and Brayden Ennor, who should have been brought back into the fold for this end of year tour.
As for the other winger spot, you are looking for a lethal left winger. Caleb Tangitau is that guy. He might have deficiencies, but there is no substitute for pure pace and power. Carter is workmanlike, but lacks X-Factor for me.
I like Narawa and Clarke as squad options.
There will obviously be guys through Super Rugby who put their hand up, and I think at hooker and in the midfield the chance is really there for someone to bolt through the door. I think they will take 43 players on the big tour, and here is a potential new-look squad. Some of the squad picks are wildly speculative, but you get the idea.
A potential new look All Blacks to tour South Africa next year
- Ethan de Groot
- Codie Taylor
- Fletcher Newell
- Josh Lord
- Fabian Holland
- Tupou Vaa'i (c)
- Peter Lakai
- Wallace Sititi
- Cam Roigard
- Damian McKenzie
- Caleb Tangitau
- Quinn Tupaea
- Brayden Ennor
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett (c)
- George Bell
- Tamaiti Williams
- Pasilio Tosi
- Patrick Tuipulotu
- Ardie Savea
- Dylan Pledger
- Ruben Love
- Timoci Tavatavanawai
Spare Props: Ollie Norris, Tyrel Lomax, Josh Fusitua, George Dyer
Spare Hookers: Samisoni Taukei'aho, Jack Taylor
Spare Locks: Sam Darry, Josh Beehre
Spare Loose Forwards: Will Stodart, Dalton Papalii, Christian Lio-Willie, Devan Flanders
Spare Halfbacks: Noah Hotham, Folau Fakatava
Spare First Five: Josh Jacomb
Spare Midfielders: Dallas McLeod, Rieko Ioane
Spare Outside Backs: Caleb Clarke, Emoni Narawa, Jacob Ratumaitavuki KneepkensVaa'i was a poor defender at 6 for the AB's. He missed the most tackles this year. His tackle accuracy went from being 90% last year to 80% this year. He's not a 60 minute player. He starts doing silly things after 60 minutes.
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@LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.
The All Black attack has been poor. Before we faced Australia in the RC this year we had scored the least amount of tries of any team. There has been no improvement in this. Even today we struggled to make ground against England.
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De Groot and Newell are useless at carrying. They should focus more on hitting rucks but they seem part of the attack plan.
Metres per carry 2025:
0.3 De Groot
0.6 NewellCombined they have made 80 carries for 39 metres this year. That is woeful and they shouldn't be part of the attack. Chiming in and making out the back door passes is also useless if you are not a running threat. Out the back door passes only work if you are an actual running threat that will hold the defence up.
Apart from Lakai our loose forwards seem incapable of making hard metres which is another problem.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.
The All Black attack has been poor. Before we faced Australia in the RC this year we had scored the least amount of tries of any team. There has been no improvement in this. Even today we struggled to make ground against England.
@brodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@LABCAT He may well have been our best, but 4 tries in 21 games, including 3 in 3 NPC games is a woeful strike rate.
The All Black attack has been poor. Before we faced Australia in the RC this year we had scored the least amount of tries of any team. There has been no improvement in this. Even today we struggled to make ground against England.
No wonder our attack looks garbage
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
I agree with you.
If more assistants go it's a tacit admission he himself has to go, as that would be 4 or 5 assistants gone in 2 years.I havnt seen any players improve under him bar Fletcher Newell and maybe Ryan gets the credit for that.
His press conferences are atrocious.
Selection is atrocious.
Tactics are atrocious.
His accountability and squad culture is atrocious.He deserved to be given the job when he got it.
He doesnt deserve to keep it.
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For what it's worth, Razor's press conferences were pretty dire for the Saders too, but that got over looked because he was winning. He really struggles to articulate. I wonder what he is like when addressing the players?
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Devlin gone off on them.
I don't get Devlin's call for the assistant coaches to get sacked but keep Razor in his job, a call that has been made on here by some as well. Razor is the boss, the buck stops with him.
NZR has never sacked a SR coach let alone and AB coach. Sacking all his assistants is the only realistic outcome
