Blues v Brumbies
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Without trying to pick on the guy, Segner made 27 tackles! People will wank on about it like it's some mammoth effort, but for me , as the prime ball winner out there, he's making way too many tackles. He simply dies not attack the ball at breakdown time. It's fine if we had others out there who are specialists at winning ball, but we don't, and the Brumbies did well taking him out of the game. He's well behind Papali'i and Choat for me when they're fit.
@African-Monkey not to different to the ABs targeting Pocock, run at him forcing him.to make.tackles so he can't latch on.
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I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
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I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
@Billy-Tell you spelled Jamie wrong.
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I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
@Billy-Tell said in Blues v Brumbies:
I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
Oh yeah this guy 'I didn't watch much Super Rugby last year but........'
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@Billy-Tell said in Blues v Brumbies:
I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
Oh yeah this guy 'I didn't watch much Super Rugby last year but........'
@African-Monkey Good thing we had Sotutu playing ...
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@African-Monkey not to different to the ABs targeting Pocock, run at him forcing him.to make.tackles so he can't latch on.
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey not to different to the ABs targeting Pocock, run at him forcing him.to make.tackles so he can't latch on.
Yeah, we did. Problem with Segner for me though is that he doesn't seem to want to adjust his style and look to scan across the defensive line to look to win turnover ball. He's just going in and acting as first tackler by default, and the Brumbies were more than happy to oblige and keep running at him. We have enough guys out there to do that role of playing first tackler.
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Well that was how Blues lost there first games, I know it was trendy to blame BB and Christie, when the trouble is the team (mainly forwards) seem so disconnected to me. Oh and Plummer is a bit of a cast horse, pretty slowish? But he not problem, when you have players tackled and time and again they are isolated with no cleaners ,you are asking to lose ball. But regardless I thought it a bloody good watch, and super seems to keep on giving.
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Well that was how Blues lost there first games, I know it was trendy to blame BB and Christie, when the trouble is the team (mainly forwards) seem so disconnected to me. Oh and Plummer is a bit of a cast horse, pretty slowish? But he not problem, when you have players tackled and time and again they are isolated with no cleaners ,you are asking to lose ball. But regardless I thought it a bloody good watch, and super seems to keep on giving.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey not to different to the ABs targeting Pocock, run at him forcing him.to make.tackles so he can't latch on.
Yeah, we did. Problem with Segner for me though is that he doesn't seem to want to adjust his style and look to scan across the defensive line to look to win turnover ball. He's just going in and acting as first tackler by default, and the Brumbies were more than happy to oblige and keep running at him. We have enough guys out there to do that role of playing first tackler.
@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
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@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
Segner very much reminds me of Blackadder.
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@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
Yeah they have been fantastic. Darry did improve last year, but could Beehre end up being better than him? He's probably been our best player so far.
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@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
Yeah they have been fantastic. Darry did improve last year, but could Beehre end up being better than him? He's probably been our best player so far.
@African-Monkey Not as tall, but seems more physical. Some really good carrying and tackling. Will be interesting to see how his cleaning and general ruck work develops.
On the other hand, maul work and set piece. We really miss Ioane there.
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Just watching it now. Feel bad for the blues. Lineout at 76:30 was not contested. So then the not straight doesn’t matter? Shouldn’t that be play on with the current rules?
@Darren said in Blues v Brumbies:
Just watching it now. Feel bad for the blues. Lineout at 76:30 was not contested. So then the not straight doesn’t matter? Shouldn’t that be play on with the current rules?
No, your team has to actually jump for it not to matter. It has to be a contestable ball before the not straight doesn't count, otherwise you can just chuck it too halfback.
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I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
@Billy-Tell said in Blues v Brumbies:
I see the blues lost. Again. But I thought vern cotter was the guy who would have made the ABs great, especially with his world class number 8.
Maybe international coaching is harder than club coaching?
I followed vern a bit when he coached at Clermont. He’s good but he also lost quite a few crunch matches with Clermont especially at European level.
Sotutu wasn't playing.
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@African-Monkey Not as tall, but seems more physical. Some really good carrying and tackling. Will be interesting to see how his cleaning and general ruck work develops.
On the other hand, maul work and set piece. We really miss Ioane there.
@Tim said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey Not as tall, but seems more physical. Some really good carrying and tackling. Will be interesting to see how his cleaning and general ruck work develops.
On the other hand, maul work and set piece. We really miss Ioane there.
Agree on both points. I really can't see us getting a play off spot from here in honesty. If it was still the top 8 then yeah, maybe (glad it's not btw), but it's looking like an uphill battle now. We really needed to be at least 2 from 4 to stay in touch.
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@Darren said in Blues v Brumbies:
Just watching it now. Feel bad for the blues. Lineout at 76:30 was not contested. So then the not straight doesn’t matter? Shouldn’t that be play on with the current rules?
No, your team has to actually jump for it not to matter. It has to be a contestable ball before the not straight doesn't count, otherwise you can just chuck it too halfback.
@Dan54 said in Blues v Brumbies:
@Darren said in Blues v Brumbies:
Just watching it now. Feel bad for the blues. Lineout at 76:30 was not contested. So then the not straight doesn’t matter? Shouldn’t that be play on with the current rules?
No, your team has to actually jump for it not to matter. It has to be a contestable ball before the not straight doesn't count, otherwise you can just chuck it too halfback.
Am I backwards here?
Play on from not-straight lineout throws: If the non-throwing team does not lift a teammate to compete for the ball, then play shall continue. If the non-throwing team lifts a teammate to compete for the ball, a free kick is awarded to the non-throwing team.
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This was an embarrassing display for a few players (Forbes, Tele'a, F. Christie, Ofa T, Pole) who did their best to lose this very winnable game. BB's goalkicking was well below par too. But beyond the poor display by some of the Blues All Blacks, what strikes me the most was the number of stupid errors. For instance, why call a long throw for the 20 y.o. debutant hooker ?
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@taniwharugby said in Blues v Brumbies:
@African-Monkey yeah Segner also.doesnt seem someone who targets turnovers anyway, high work rate with tackling and ruck work, meaning the blues.are missing someone to put turnover pressure on.
Really had 3 6's out there last night in the loose.
Beehre is a talent, and Cam Christie looks the business too, always good to see quality young players come through.
Yeah they have been fantastic. Darry did improve last year, but could Beehre end up being better than him? He's probably been our best player so far.
I first saw Josh Beehre playing for Whangarei Boys high at a 7s tournament at Dargaville back in October 2021 as an 18 year old
Up against mens club teams you could see his physicality and ability to get post metres ,was lean at the time but you knew with size he could be something special
You look at him now ,hes gonna be the mainstay of the Blues pack in the years to come possibly an All Black imoDespite the loss last night i thought Beehre and Cam Christie were real positives and will be the first names selected in a Blues starting pack in the years to come
I also think Tristan Cook is super athlete i will come through given time , like Christie can play lock or 6
The other player who if there are any more injuries is Sam Hainsworth Fa’aofo , i rate this kid big time has a massive engine but will add something different in a 7 jersey -
I first saw Josh Beehre playing for Whangarei Boys high at a 7s tournament at Dargaville back in October 2021 as an 18 year old
Up against mens club teams you could see his physicality and ability to get post metres ,was lean at the time but you knew with size he could be something special
You look at him now ,hes gonna be the mainstay of the Blues pack in the years to come possibly an All Black imoDespite the loss last night i thought Beehre and Cam Christie were real positives and will be the first names selected in a Blues starting pack in the years to come
I also think Tristan Cook is super athlete i will come through given time , like Christie can play lock or 6
The other player who if there are any more injuries is Sam Hainsworth Fa’aofo , i rate this kid big time has a massive engine but will add something different in a 7 jersey@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Brumbies:
The other player who if there are any more injuries is Sam Hainsworth Fa’aofo , i rate this kid big time has a massive engine but will add something different in a 7 jersey
I'd like to see SHF and Terrell Peita into the 23
