All Blacks v Argentina II
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Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
Yeah it not only sucks when a player who is in really good form gets injured, but that their role in the team is well defined and they are playing to it.
Patty and Lord are chalk and cheese in terms of the type of player they are.
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Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
Not sure he would be any better than Christie.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
Not sure he would be any better than Christie.
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Everyone has been asking for a bigger loose forward trio, there you have it. Who covers 7?
I think this would have been a perfect opportunity to have Leroy Carter off the bench covering wing and halfback, then we would could of had an extra loosie in Lakai.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Everyone has been asking for a bigger loose forward trio, there you have it. Who covers 7?
Wallace should.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think this would have been a perfect opportunity to have Leroy Carter off the bench covering wing and halfback, then we would could of had an extra loosie in Lakai.
It would probably be unheard of to have a rookie covering such a crucial position in test rugby when he's not even known for it at any level, let alone being known for any other position.
But yeah, hurricanes!
Hurricanes.
Hurricanes.
I think your point would be valid if the guy coming off the bench actually offered something.
Iose must be injured.
What does Iose have to do with Christie?
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it.
You’re too conservative in your old age.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Simon Parker looking likely for his debut is the other thing im being told to expect
Glad the sauce came through with the goods. Was a bit worried about posting this one and risking the credibility.
Excited to see what Parker can do. Like this loose trio balance a lot more than last weekends.
@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Excited to see what Parker can do. Like this loose trio balance a lot more than last weekends.
We are going from one extreme (small loosies) to the other (big loosies and as many locks you can fit into the 23). Obviously, this looks like a dummy run for how to tackle SA. The reserves could be better.
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The coaches have their biggest stretches of tests coming up with Boks and Wallabies at Eden Park in the same month
ABs are down 2 halfbacks and Christie is experienced
It's not that hard to understand
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
The coaches have their biggest stretches of tests coming up with Boks and Wallabies at Eden Park in the same month
ABs are down 2 halfbacks and Christie is experienced
It's not that hard to understand
The only thing Christie is experienced at is not being good enough for test rugby.
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Excited to see what Parker can do. Like this loose trio balance a lot more than last weekends.
We are going from one extreme (small loosies) to the other (big loosies and as many locks you can fit into the 23). Obviously, this looks like a dummy run for how to tackle SA. The reserves could be better.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
Not sure he would be any better than Christie.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Surely NZ has a better fourth choice halfback option than Christie? What about Fakatava? And why the lack of imagination or willingness to at least roll the dice a little with the backs overall? Something badly wrong with the coaching set up
Not sure he would be any better than Christie.
I doubt he could be worse. He seems to have turned the corner on the dumbest shit of his play and the upsides remain.
If you structure your game around quick rucks to get behind a defence and keep them retiring until you can exploit it, Christie's play is anathematic to that.
Experienced or not, I can't think of a selection that is more geared towards self sabotage.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish when the game opens up.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish when the game opens up.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
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@Bovidae are you talking a position specifically, as to me, that bench looks good and will hopefully be able to provide a positive impact
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae are you talking a position specifically, as to me, that bench looks good and will hopefully be able to provide a positive impact
I can understand the selection of Lord but as others have said he is not a like-for-like replacement for PT. Lakai on the bench would have made more sense to me, but how they use their subs might mean Savea stays at 7 all game and Sititi comes on at 8.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bovidae are you talking a position specifically, as to me, that bench looks good and will hopefully be able to provide a positive impact
I can understand the selection of Lord but as others have said he is not a like-for-like replacement for PT. Lakai on the bench would have made more sense to me, but how they use their subs might mean Savea stays at 7 all game and Sititi comes on at 8.
I like it.
A functioning line out with tall bodies to throw to is a need and if we get in trouble there, bad things compound quickly. I would hope that the coaches have seen that at international and super level and decided that we need a minimum of three (preferably four) good targets with at least one absolute specialist at attacking opposition ball.
Although Lord may not be a power replacement for Pat T, he is a cracker at attacking opposition throws - probably 2nd best to PatT in the country. If we lost Holland in minute 1, I like the idea of a line out specialist coming on and I’m happy to trade that against the risk of an injury to a guaranteed 80 minute player (Ardie).
Edit: I also want them to commit to putting as many minutes into Vaii at 6 as they can. Don’t fuck around with getting him to cover lock right now.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai,
Pick one.
We've finally turned the corner and are selecting big bodies . There's only room for one midget in the forwards at a time.
I’m picking both. Big loosies to start the match, mobile loosies to finish.
I suspect that thinking is how we were uncharacteristically losing the second half of games.
So you’d prefer slower loosies on the park in the last twenty instead of x-factor when the game opens up?
I think the issue is our loosie mix hasn’t been right from kick-off for years so we’ve had guys on the bench that weren’t impactful. Aside from Savea, there wouldn’t be more impactful loosies in NZ right now than Sititi and Lakai in terms of x-factor.
The premise being x-factor is impact? A loose forward that carried 170 times in SR but made only one line break isn't what I consider to be impactful. The stats say Kirifi was the more impactful player across the season.
Also this isn't the 2000s anymore. Our opposition are fitter than they used to be. And with better depth to select from their bench isn't a marked drop. You combine that with the slow, interrupted play, stacked benches and in tight games that's not the time for "mobility" over "dominance". You still need that physical ability to win collisions at Test level. And with Parker and Finau, we still possess that ability.
Totally in line with your post, except for Finau I hope I get proved wrong there as we need big bodies,The game has changed we can not runs teams off their feet any longer, we need big powefful munters to stay in the contest for the whole 80 minutes.
