All Blacks v Argentina II
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Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Yep always a consistent campaigner. Let’s hope he holds his form through to the WC.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
Yeah it not only sucks when a player who is in really good form gets injured, but that their role in the team is well defined and they are playing to it.
Patty and Lord are chalk and cheese in terms of the type of player they are.
Yeah I consider Lord as a start or don't play type player too, but Holland is ahead of him currently and for a while too. We don't really have anyone else in fairness who can play Pat's role off the bench either, so the selection of Lord isn't a criticism, it's just that we won't get the same impact as Pat would provide us.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
Yeah it not only sucks when a player who is in really good form gets injured, but that their role in the team is well defined and they are playing to it.
Patty and Lord are chalk and cheese in terms of the type of player they are.
Yeah I consider Lord as a start or don't play type player too, but Holland is ahead of him currently and for a while too. We don't really have anyone else in fairness who can play Pat's role off the bench either, so the selection of Lord isn't a criticism, it's just that we won't get the same impact as Pat would provide us.
Lord would be a more natural sub for Holland.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I think this would have been a perfect opportunity to have Leroy Carter off the bench covering wing and halfback, then we would could of had an extra loosie in Lakai.
It would probably be unheard of to have a rookie covering such a crucial position in test rugby when he's not even known for it at any level, let alone being known for any other position.
But yeah, hurricanes!
Hurricanes.
Hurricanes.
I think your point would be valid if the guy coming off the bench actually offered something.
Iose must be injured.
What does Iose have to do with Christie?
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it.
You’re too conservative in your old age.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
@Victor-Meldrew eh?
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Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
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Kinda ludicrous that we currently have a forward pack that we can't fit everyone in and a backline seemingly comprised of the Illford 2nd 15
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
What matters is the BEST team, not whether it is the product of "fresh thinking" or not
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
Yeah that combined with ST in probably career best form. It wasn't pretty.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
I recall him being roundly lauded as of the 2017 Lions, so took a year or so to get over?
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
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@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
Plumtree only lasted 3 tests as forwards coach before Jase Ryan came in
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
@antipodean but that assumes he couldn't have been played into form for Canterbury without stinking up the bed for the All Blacks. Which might be the case, but obviously we'll never know.
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
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Lord at his best is probably the third-best lock New Zealand has right now (including Vaa'i in there). Unfortunately he hasn't been at his best for a number of years due to injury. With an extended run, he can hopefully regain some of that form and get him back into tip-top shape. A Holland/Lord combo with Vaa'i at 6 and Darry covering from the pine could be best in class come 2031.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
I understand Lord's selection. He's below Holland, Scott Barrett, Patrick Tuipolutu, Tupou Vaii (who is preferred as a 6 now anyway) and perhaps Sam Darry on the locking depth chart, but he's ahead of anyone else and Lock is a position where injuries are frequent.
He's an excellent lineout practitioner. Having him Test-ready and not tempted to disappear overseas is a big bonus.
Yeah that’s how I see it , just a case of next man up .And they might give holland a spell , he’s played a lot of minutes .
And getting experience into him won’t hurt long term .
