All Blacks v Argentina II
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Looking back at that period when Jordan and Vaa’i were in the bin, even though the Argies didn’t score a heap of points I thought they did a pretty good job of running us around and causing havoc.
I thought we handled that well too. But our concentration went to poo after that. As for our tactics...
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Looking back at that period when Jordan and Vaa’i were in the bin, even though the Argies didn’t score a heap of points I thought they did a pretty good job of running us around and causing havoc.
I thought we handled that well too. But our concentration went to poo after that. As for our tactics...
I thought after last week that territory was the order of the day. Then again, it probably was, but when the Pumas put up the bombs the ABs couldn’t diffuse them and play for the territory.
The offensive and defensive kicking game was horrendous today. Not much a pack can do when people can’t catch the ball and pressure cannot be built.
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Incredibly deflating performance -- I had glimmers of hope which are now firmly extinguished.
Major issues imo which we don't seem to changing
Scooter --- I have to say if he wasn't the Capt he wouldn't be starting ...
Savea largely invisible today and not sure he got a turnover
Parker was good but taken off early, and Wallace looked good too.
9 & 10 CLUNCKY AS FARK .. not rhythm or game sense, Roigard and Hotham being sorely missed....
Jordie - solid but creates very little Id rather see him at center playing like Stirling Mortlock style with Quinn Tupaea at 12
Proctor is ok ... but not filling me with confidence...
then the back 3...
Rieko its time to go
Sevu not effective enough under high ball either and frankly what do we lose by giving some others an opportunity?
We need Jordan on the wing as he is the only one any good under the bombs so who goes to FB, and who's the other wing...... do we put Quinn at 12 and Jordie at FB.... I am not sure - but surely we need to do something.Over all , and this is at the leadership group and coaching - its a shit show, 3 YCs ffs. Surely you direct your team to hold the fucking ball when they are kicking so poorly, or adjust the game plan at a minimum
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Incredibly deflating performance -- I had glimmers of hope which are now firmly extinguished.
Major issues imo which we don't seem to changing
Scooter --- I have to say if he wasn't the Capt he wouldn't be starting ...
Savea largely invisible today and not sure he got a turnover
Parker was good but taken off early, and Wallace looked good too.
9 & 10 CLUNCKY AS FARK .. not rhythm or game sense, Roigard and Hotham being sorely missed....
Jordie - solid but creates very little Id rather see him at center playing like Stirling Mortlock style with Quinn Tupaea at 12
Proctor is ok ... but not filling me with confidence...
then the back 3...
Rieko its time to go
Sevu not effective enough under high ball either and frankly what do we lose by giving some others an opportunity?Over all , and this is at the leadership group and coaching - its a shit show, 3 YCs ffs. Surely you direct your team to hold the fucking ball when they are kicking so poorly.
We need Jordan on the wing as he is the only one any good under the bombs so who goes to FB, and who's the other wing...... do we put Quinn at 12 and Jordie at FB.... I am not sure - but surely we need to do something.We have some decent players in most areas, but lock isn’t resolved, loosies aren’t settled, first-five still lack a world-class player who is actually a first-five, half-back is ok when Roigard is fit, outside backs aren’t quite right, though we do have the players.
Other than a couple of glaring positions, we have the cattle to be one of the top 3 teams, but I’m not seeing the balance, rhythm and consistency to give me confidence. SA falter occasionally, but they have such a wealth of playing depth. Aus even look like they’ve got good balance now.
A couple of glorious wins might change the picture, but on the flip side, I feel over the odds that we’re going to lose at Eden Park in the next month or so.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
Yeah nah. Would rather have Carter and Clarke on the wings and leave Jordan where he is.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
Yeah nah. Would rather have Carter and Clarke on the wings and leave Jordan where he is.
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
Yeah nah. Would rather have Carter and Clarke on the wings and leave Jordan where he is.
Carter struggles under the high ball. Narawa is another wing option
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The pack wasn’t the issue today (ST’s throwing yips aside). They were a bit passive, but they did enough.
The backs have been progressively getting worse the longer the season has gone on. I thought Christie and BB know how to play together? Christie was industrious when he came on, but not much more. BB had a couple of magic moments on defence, but his tactical kicking was poor and that penalty miss…shocking.
Proctor I thought looked better. It was his 12 that had the mare today. And the back 3 were shut down which meant they at least had to do the basics well to not give the Pumas a sniff. And they shat the bed on that one.
Impact off the bench didn’t work because there was no control. Nobody sought to put structure back into the game and control the tempo. It was all very messy.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
Yeah nah. Would rather have Carter and Clarke on the wings and leave Jordan where he is.
Carter struggles under the high ball. Narawa is another wing option
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
If Clarke is fit, he goes to 11. Jordan to 14. Love to 15.
Yeah it's time to get Love in the 23 regularly.
Yeah nah. Would rather have Carter and Clarke on the wings and leave Jordan where he is.
Carter struggles under the high ball. Narawa is another wing option
They need to send our outside backs over to an AFL bootcamp stat
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The pack wasn’t the issue today (ST’s throwing yips aside). They were a bit passive, but they did enough.
The backs have been progressively getting worse the longer the season has gone on. I thought Christie and BB know how to play together? Christie was industrious when he came on, but not much more. BB had a couple of magic moments on defence, but his tactical kicking was poor and that penalty miss…shocking.
Proctor I thought looked better. It was his 12 that had the mare today. And the back 3 were shut down which meant they at least had to do the basics well to not give the Pumas a sniff. And they shat the bed on that one.
Impact off the bench didn’t work because there was no control. Nobody sought to put structure back into the game and control the tempo. It was all very messy.
@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I thought Christie and BB know how to play together? Christie was industrious when he came on, but not much more. BB had a couple of magic moments on defence, but his tactical kicking was poor and that penalty miss…shocking.
This is how the Blues have looked under Christie and BB for years - clunky
Blues won the title with Plummer at 10 not Beauden.
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@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I just watched the interview. He may be a good block but S Barrett is no captain. IMHO
Not even a good lock atm.
He was adequate today. Didn’t let the side down with his play.
But his captaincy and control of the team is nonexistent
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Who is the heart and soul of our team atm? …Ardie? Hard to pinpoint a player.
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Who is the heart and soul of our team atm? …Ardie? Hard to pinpoint a player.
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Who is the heart and soul of our team atm? …Ardie? Hard to pinpoint a player.
Taylor?
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Looks like my decision to hack my way around 18 holes was the right one!
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Fark it I'd cut loose now.
Sititi 8, Roigard 9, DMac 10, Clarke 11, Jordan to 14. Love to 15
Savea or Sititi captain.
BB on the bench -
Fark it I'd cut loose now.
Sititi 8, Roigard 9, DMac 10, Clarke 11, Jordan to 14. Love to 15
Savea or Sititi captain.
BB on the bench@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Fark it I'd cut loose now.
Sititi 8, Roigard 9, DMac 10, Clarke 11, Jordan to 14. Love to 15
Savea or Sititi captain.
BB on the benchFuck all this BB to the bench shite.
Him and his ilk need to be excommunicated.
There are too many blokes in the squad used to losing.
McCaw lost 15 tests out of 148.
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This is the worst AB backline I can ever recall
I've seen AB backs with bad coaching.... the Brad Mooar era
I've seen AB backs with average talent.... the 2002 Cantablacks
I don't think I've ever seen backs who are combination of the two worst elements of the above.
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I can’t believe how forgiving some people are here.
This is the Allblacks.
Too many people willing to give lads their millionth chance. Get them gone. Leave provincial bias aside.
Get shot of them.
Argentina lost to England B a few weeks ago.
The gap has closed sure…but we are not even picking our best players or game plan any more.
Trapped in amber. Everyone afraid to make tough calls.
Injury and retirement is our best selector.
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This is the worst AB backline I can ever recall
I've seen AB backs with bad coaching.... the Brad Mooar era
I've seen AB backs with average talent.... the 2002 Cantablacks
I don't think I've ever seen backs who are combination of the two worst elements of the above.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
This is the worst AB backline I can ever recall
I've seen AB backs with bad coaching.... the Brad Mooar era
I've seen AB backs with average talent.... the 2002 Cantablacks
I don't think I've ever seen backs who are combination of the two worst elements of the above.
Players with massive points of difference ala Carter Love and Tangitau (speed) not used.
Stevensons big boot not used.
Tavatavanawai not used much.
ALB, Reece and Ioane should have been playing for Toshiba for the last 5 years…no exaggeration.
