All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@pourfasse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Where is Mark Telea ? Injury ?
He's heading overseas and he's not from the Crusaders so Razor hasn't moved heaven and earth to be able to select him like Mo and LF.
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Roigard, Love, Clarke, Jordie, Proctor, Narawa, Jordan
Ratima, DMac, Ioane
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Roigard, Love, Clarke, Jordie, Proctor,
Narawa, Carter, JordanRatima, DMac, Ioane
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@pourfasse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Where is Mark Telea ? Injury ?
He's heading overseas and he's not from the Crusaders so Razor hasn't moved heaven and earth to be able to select him like Mo and LF.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@pourfasse said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Where is Mark Telea ? Injury ?
He's heading overseas and he's not from the Crusaders so Razor hasn't moved heaven and earth to be able to select him like Mo and LF.
Funny cause it's true.
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There is an article by Paul Cully today which compares the ABs and Wallabies in the RC so far (4 games, same opponents). The online article is behind a paywall but the summary is that the ABs have been worse than Aust in nearly every statistical measure (by Opta).
964 m carrying v 1763 m
2.6 m per carry v 3.7 m
15 clean breaks v 32
ABs have beaten fewer defenders and produced less offloads
Scored the fewest number of points, and worst PD
82% tackles completion v 87% (making more tackles, but missing more too)
Lineout success is worse - 83% v 85%
Scrum on own ball - 90% v 100% -
There is an article by Paul Cully today which compares the ABs and Wallabies in the RC so far (4 games, same opponents). The online article is behind a paywall but the summary is that the ABs have been worse than Aust in nearly every statistical measure (by Opta).
964 m carrying v 1763 m
2.6 m per carry v 3.7 m
15 clean breaks v 32
ABs have beaten fewer defenders and produced less offloads
Scored the fewest number of points, and worst PD
82% tackles completion v 87% (making more tackles, but missing more too)
Lineout success is worse - 83% v 85%
Scrum on own ball - 90% v 100%@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
There is an article by Paul Cully today which compares the ABs and Wallabies in the RC so far (4 games, same opponents). The online article is behind a paywall but the summary is that the ABs have been worse than Aust in nearly every statistical measure (by Opta).
964 m carrying v 1763 m
2.6 m per carry v 3.7 m
15 clean breaks v 32
ABs have beaten fewer defenders and produced less offloads
Scored the fewest number of points, and worst PD
82% tackles completion v 87% (making more tackles, but missing more too)
Lineout success is worse - 83% v 85%
Scrum on own ball - 90% v 100%We flatter to deceive
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I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
BB would definitely pay the price if DMac was putting up anything compelling, but regardless has to be DMac.
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Jordan is our best attacking weapon, and I think we need that through the middle, so there is no room for Love. If Narawa is out, then Clarke on the left wing, with Carter to the right.
My Team:
EDG, Taylor, Newell, Vaa'i, Holland, Parker, Savea, Sititi, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, J Barrett, Tupaea, Carter, Jordan
Bench: Taukei'aho, Williams, Tosi, Tuipultou, Lakai, Ratima, B Barrett, Fainga'anuku. -
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
BB would definitely pay the price if DMac was putting up anything compelling, but regardless has to be DMac.
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Jordan is our best attacking weapon, and I think we need that through the middle, so there is no room for Love. If Narawa is out, then Clarke on the left wing, with Carter to the right.
My Team:
EDG, Taylor, Newell, Vaa'i, Holland, Parker, Savea, Sititi, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, J Barrett, Tupaea, Carter, Jordan
Bench: Taukei'aho, Williams, Tosi, Tuipultou, Lakai, Ratima, B Barrett, Fainga'anuku. -
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
BB would definitely pay the price if DMac was putting up anything compelling, but regardless has to be DMac.
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Jordan is our best attacking weapon, and I think we need that through the middle, so there is no room for Love. If Narawa is out, then Clarke on the left wing, with Carter to the right.
My Team:
EDG, Taylor, Newell, Vaa'i, Holland, Parker, Savea, Sititi, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, J Barrett, Tupaea, Carter, Jordan
Bench: Taukei'aho, Williams, Tosi, Tuipultou, Lakai, Ratima, B Barrett, Fainga'anuku.@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
Julian Savea trampled a bunch of Southlanders over the weekend playing at 12. They may as well select him.
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I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
BB would definitely pay the price if DMac was putting up anything compelling, but regardless has to be DMac.
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Jordan is our best attacking weapon, and I think we need that through the middle, so there is no room for Love. If Narawa is out, then Clarke on the left wing, with Carter to the right.
My Team:
EDG, Taylor, Newell, Vaa'i, Holland, Parker, Savea, Sititi, Roigard, DMac, Clarke, J Barrett, Tupaea, Carter, Jordan
Bench: Taukei'aho, Williams, Tosi, Tuipultou, Lakai, Ratima, B Barrett, Fainga'anuku.@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Kirifi missing wouldn’t be a big call IMO. A big call is leaving Ardie out (don’t think it will happen) or Sititi, which I wouldn’t mind.
I think we need to play with more size against the Aussies. Hit them in close.
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Talk about a winter of discontent
We've seen good AB teams.
This team seems to not have clarity on how they play, and are missing basic skills - like catching high balls. Someone said I don't need Razor to piss on my neck and tell me it's raining. Media are only now starting to wake up that we are in life and death struggles most test matches, and there isn't a lot of hope for fundamental change soon.
We are lacking in basic skillsets that should be bread and butter for pro athletes. Something is not right. I blame late stage Hansen, fatty fat fat (who shoulda burgled a world cup) and captain combover. And most of the real issues can be sheeted home to the Board, who were incompetent and directionless. Hopefully a turnaround is happening with Kirk.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Kirifi missing wouldn’t be a big call IMO. A big call is leaving Ardie out (don’t think it will happen) or Sititi, which I wouldn’t mind.
I think we need to play with more size against the Aussies. Hit them in close.
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Bonkers. Vai'i has more than enough form at lock over the last two years, especially compared to some unamed others
, to cast him away over a match where the whole team were tutae. -
Ab 2nd half woes vs Aus 2nd half heroes...
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Kirifi missing wouldn’t be a big call IMO. A big call is leaving Ardie out (don’t think it will happen) or Sititi, which I wouldn’t mind.
I think we need to play with more size against the Aussies. Hit them in close.
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Kirifi missing wouldn’t be a big call IMO. A big call is leaving Ardie out (don’t think it will happen) or Sititi, which I wouldn’t mind.
I think we need to play with more size against the Aussies. Hit them in close.
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
Agree about size and physicality being key to Aussies. Win the set pieces and grind them down.
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@NTA What's GOM action. Asking for a friend.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@NTA What's GOM action. Asking for a friend.
Grumpy Old Man
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Solve the problem at 10. Changing the 13 changes nothing, and in a non functioning backline a 13 can't impress on attack. It's only marginally better than what Robertson will probably do, which is axe a winger and bring back Reece and/or Clarke - thus demonstrating that he can adjust his plans, make the hard calls and demand accountability. Or honesty something something cough bullshit.
