All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@NTA What's GOM action. Asking for a friend.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@NTA What's GOM action. Asking for a friend.
Grumpy Old Man
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Solve the problem at 10. Changing the 13 changes nothing, and in a non functioning backline a 13 can't impress on attack. It's only marginally better than what Robertson will probably do, which is axe a winger and bring back Reece and/or Clarke - thus demonstrating that he can adjust his plans, make the hard calls and demand accountability. Or honesty something something cough bullshit.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Talk about a winter of discontent
We've seen good AB teams.
This team seems to not have clarity on how they play, and are missing basic skills - like catching high balls. Someone said I don't need Razor to piss on my neck and tell me it's raining. Media are only now starting to wake up that we are in life and death struggles most test matches, and there isn't a lot of hope for fundamental change soon.
We are lacking in basic skillsets that should be bread and butter for pro athletes. Something is not right. I blame late stage Hansen, fatty fat fat (who shoulda burgled a world cup) and captain combover. And most of the real issues can be sheeted home to the Board, who were incompetent and directionless. Hopefully a turnaround is happening with Kirk.
@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
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@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
One not afraid to headbutt Razor is kinda edgy.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Jordan. Similar level of distribution, pace to cover the outside break while he learns the defensive reads and a strike runner. Kicking is about on par for a centre too.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Solve the problem at 10. Changing the 13 changes nothing, and in a non functioning backline a 13 can't impress on attack. It's only marginally better than what Robertson will probably do, which is axe a winger and bring back Reece and/or Clarke - thus demonstrating that he can adjust his plans, make the hard calls and demand accountability. Or honesty something something cough bullshit.
@reprobate 100% it all starts at first five.
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@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
a few posters on here could step up
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Jordan. Similar level of distribution, pace to cover the outside break while he learns the defensive reads and a strike runner. Kicking is about on par for a centre too.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Proctor hasn't done enough on attack to offset his weaker defence. Rieko the best defender, but his attack has been so underwhelming. ALB past it. Leaves Fainga'anuku or Tupaea. I'd go QT with Leicester on the bench.
Tupaea's defence against the Springboks in the wider channel was dreadful. There's no way he's an upgrade on Proctor. He's an option at 12.
And who seriously suggests Fainga'anuku? A bloke that couldn't cement a wing spot, leaves to become one of the worst defenders in Top14 is somehow now considered All Black level?
What’s the other option then? Ioane and Proctor both been underwhelming, and I just don’t see ALB as the solution.
Could JB shift to 13?
Jordan. Similar level of distribution, pace to cover the outside break while he learns the defensive reads and a strike runner. Kicking is about on par for a centre too.
You’d be pleased he’s not fullback either
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
a few posters on here could step up
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@nzzp A slightly more edgy, opinionated Captain would help.
a few posters on here could step up
posters on here are not edgy and opinionated enough?!
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Kellaway is out with a calf injury
The Roar reporting that it will be a back 3 of Jorgensen Potter and Toole with JOC at 10 and Edmed on the bench.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Kellaway is out with a calf injury
The Roar reporting that it will be a back 3 of Jorgensen Potter and Toole with JOC at 10 and Edmed on the bench.
That back 3 is a vulnerable. Potter isn’t a great defender.
JOC will get the team moving forward though
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Kellaway is out with a calf injury
The Roar reporting that it will be a back 3 of Jorgensen Potter and Toole with JOC at 10 and Edmed on the bench.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Kellaway is out with a calf injury
The Roar reporting that it will be a back 3 of Jorgensen Potter and Toole with JOC at 10 and Edmed on the bench.
Fuck. I like Kellaway.
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@frugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think it is fairly odd that the All Blacks went away from starting Fabian Holland. Set piece excelled with him there, he simply dominates the air and does the dirty work well. IMO, it should always be Holland/Darry + Vaa'i/Barrett/Tuipulotu.
Razor has to make a statement - does he have the balls to drop Scooter? The obvious team on form this week has Holland, Vaa'i, Parker with Tuipulotu on the bench for me.
If there is a big call to be made in the loose forwards, I hope it is Lakai they go to. Kirifi doesn't move the needle for me. I'm happy with Ardie and Wallace, so he slots onto the bench.
Vaa’i’s form was terrible on the weekend. Missed some crucial clean outs, was at sea in D and had very little impact in the tight. If he plays, he should be at 6.
Kirifi missing wouldn’t be a big call IMO. A big call is leaving Ardie out (don’t think it will happen) or Sititi, which I wouldn’t mind.
I think we need to play with more size against the Aussies. Hit them in close.
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Williams, Taylor, Newell, Barrett, Holland, Vaa’i, Savea, Parker
ST, EDG, Lomax, Tuipoluto, Sititi/Lakai
I don't think Parker is a great option at 8.
I'd probably pick Jacobson or Sititi to play 8 and put Parker on the bench if Vaa'i is playing 6.
I get the argument that Sititi and Ardie are a bit same-same, but they worked OK at 6/8 last year, so maybe they can be melded at 7/8.
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A bunch of ABs back.
Several Wallabies out.
Eden Park Hoodoo.
Zero chance of getting the Bledisloe back.
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
A bunch of ABs back.
Several Wallabies out.
Eden Park Hoodoo.
Zero chance of getting the Bledisloe back.
Hope you're right.
We've suffered quite a bit this year, already - and we're not as practiced at it as you guys!
Give us another couple of years before sticking that Bled knife in!
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
A bunch of ABs back.
Several Wallabies out.
Eden Park Hoodoo.
Zero chance of getting the Bledisloe back.
Hope you're right.
We've suffered quite a bit this year, already - and we're not as practiced at it as you guys!
Give us another couple of years before sticking that Bled knife in!
