All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
Revisionism. The backline functioned well against France for those first two tests. The bigger difference in the last two tests is having Roigard.
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Don’t read the Planet Rugby ratings. They very much disagree with views on here about Jordan and Savea
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Don’t read the Planet Rugby ratings. They very much disagree with views on here about Jordan and Savea
Most people just give those 2 high ratings because they feel like they have to give them high ratings to fit in with the crowd, regardless of how they play. Sheep.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
I’m not sure the classic 13 , ( Conrad , Bruce Robertson ) is going to be as successful in this era the way defences are up in your face and give you little room to operate , not saying he is in that class but proctor is probably more of that style , dangerous with space but we never saw it .
Quinns direct hard running straight back at the line or against the grain can cause them problems if they come up too quick which will give them something to think about , I think we should persevere with it .
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
Yeah, I thought DMac had a pretty good game goal kicking aside, the backline appeared to function, his high kicks were contestable, and he made some good tackles on players bigger than him .... so I knew I'd come on the Fern this morning and there'd be complaints. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Anyway, QT was bloody good at centre, JB had his best game since the early tests this year.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
I’m not sure the classic 13 , ( Conrad , Bruce Robertson ) is going to be as successful in this era the way defences are up in your face and give you little room to operate , not saying he is in that class but proctor is probably more of that style , dangerous with space but we never saw it .
Quinns direct hard running straight back at the line or against the grain can cause them problems if they come up too quick which will give them something to think about , I think we should persevere with it .
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
I’m not sure the classic 13 , ( Conrad , Bruce Robertson ) is going to be as successful in this era the way defences are up in your face and give you little room to operate , not saying he is in that class but proctor is probably more of that style , dangerous with space but we never saw it .
Quinns direct running straight back at the line or against the grain can cause them problems if they come up too quick which will give them something to think about , I think we should persevere with it .
Reminiscent of Jonathan Davies for Wales ( the more recent one )
That fuck off fend for his second try was a thing of beauty.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
Roigard 10.
Fakatava to start.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
Roigard 10.
Fakatava to start.
Nonsense
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I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
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I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Darry had a solid debut season in black, I think he will bring more physicality and add to the line out
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reiko is not a centre. Tried, failed. They have moved on.
I wouldn't say that, he just made very few breaks that was expected of such a quick winger.
Very good on defence overall.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reiko is not a centre. Tried, failed. They have moved on.
I wouldn't say that, he just made very few breaks that was expected of such a quick winger.
Very good on defence overall.
It was quite interesting watching at the game, how much ground he covers on defence and how well he reads things. Tupaea, for all his good stuff, held his own on D, but isn't quite as good on D as Rieko is (more a compliment to how good Rieko is on D in fairness). It's not a part of the game that fans tend to look at.
I'm gonna have to go with the crowd and say that we do look better without BB at 10. There's also more flexiblilty with Tupaea coming into the side. For the rest of the year we could go with
- Clarke/LF
- Jordie
- Tupaea
- Carter
- Jordan
bench. Rieko/LF
or
- Clarke
- Tupaea
- Rieko
- Jordan
- Jordie
bench. LF/Carter (whatever order)
There's a bit to work with now. I feel we might slowly be getting somewhere in the backs. Slowly.
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I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Would assume Lord is ahead of Darry in the pecking order but that could have changed during the season.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@kev said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Reiko is not a centre. Tried, failed. They have moved on.
I wouldn't say that, he just made very few breaks that was expected of such a quick winger.
Very good on defence overall.
It was quite interesting watching at the game, how much ground he covers on defence and how well he reads things. Tupaea, for all his good stuff, held his own on D, but isn't quite as good on D as Rieko is (more a compliment to how good Rieko is on D in fairness). It's not a part of the game that fans tend to look at.
I'm gonna have to go with the crowd and say that we do look better without BB at 10. There's also more flexiblilty with Tupaea coming into the side. For the rest of the year we could go with
- Clarke/LF
- Jordie
- Tupaea
- Carter
- Jordan
bench. Rieko/LF
or
- Clarke
- Tupaea
- Rieko
- Jordan
- Jordie
bench. LF/Carter (whatever order)
There's a bit to work with now. I feel we might slowly be getting somewhere in the backs. Slowly.
@African-Monkey we have got nowhere if Razor sees last night's game as a stop gap performance while BB the golden boy works his way back to fitness
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Would assume Lord is ahead of Darry in the pecking order but that could have changed during the season.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Would assume Lord is ahead of Darry in the pecking order but that could have changed during the season.
Based on this coaching teams love of Chiefs forwards I expect you're right.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Would assume Lord is ahead of Darry in the pecking order but that could have changed during the season.
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I see Vai has announced he’s gone for the season, having done his knee at training on Thursday before Bledisloe II. Eight to 10 weeks, which means he misses the EOYT and won’t return until the new Super season 2026. I assume this means Darry comes in as the fourth lock?
Would assume Lord is ahead of Darry in the pecking order but that could have changed during the season.
Lord doesn't do it for me. Yes, he has height, but I don't now what else he really brings. He has no sting in his play around the field, and I wouldn't call him a set piece disruptor or anything. I guess if Holland goes down, we bring him in as a main lineout option, but I feel he's just waiting to get exposed the moment he starts his first major test. Could be wrong of course, but so far, I don't see anything from him.
Like this decade's version of Dom Bird/Mark Cooksley.
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Not to labour the point but it really is pointless to pick Love just to give him 8 mins on the wing.
I get that Razor may not want to throw him into the deep end but if you put a player on the bench and just give him a few minutes out of position it's clear you don't rate him. May as well just pick a winger in that case because it's clear you don't think he has what it takes.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not to labour the point but it really is pointless to pick Love just to give him 8 mins on the wing.
I get that Razor may not want to throw him into the deep end but if you put a player on the bench and just give him a few minutes out of position it's clear you don't rate him. May as well just pick a winger in that case because it's clear you don't think he has what it takes.
You still need insurance picks on the bench even if they are behind a starter that you intend to play for the majority / all of the match.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this ame.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuThat all makes sense.
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
The issue at 10 is gravely concerning given the WC is two years away and it's fair to say BB and DM are not going to improve with age.
Thank GOD Mounga is coming back ( he said sarcastically ) no need to develop anyone else.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
Anyone here have ALB ahead of QT now even at 13? I doubt there are many supporting such an idea.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
Anyone here have ALB ahead of QT now even at 13? I doubt there are many supporting such an idea.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
Anyone here have ALB ahead of QT now even at 13? I doubt there are many supporting such an idea.
https://tenor.com/en-NZ/view/naw-mike-epps-nah-hell-hellnaw-gif-14719746325970885289
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
Anyone here have ALB ahead of QT now even at 13? I doubt there are many supporting such an idea.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
Anyone here have ALB ahead of QT now even at 13? I doubt there are many supporting such an idea.
ALB will no doubt get a test again somewhere, but I think it's fair to say that he's well down the pecking order now. Proctor too, unless injury strikes, will have a bit of work to do if he wants another crack.
