All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate I agree the bar is low. But I thought he did enough and the backs looked generally better than they have for ages.
The bar is low but the thirst is high.
We need some sparkle.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate I agree the bar is low. But I thought he did enough and the backs looked generally better than they have for ages.
The bar is low but the thirst is high.
We need some sparkle.Sparkle is great. But not when it's BB style rocks and diamonds. I'd rather a steady Eddie right now, who can give his outsides space to work. JB and QT looked good last night. Maybe because DMac didn't crab across field everytime he touched the ball?
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McKenzie looked rusty, uncharacteristically poor off the T though hit the ones that mattered, and in very poor conditions it wasn't the great 'thank fuck let's leave him there' performance which most of us were hoping for. However, he covered well in defence, made some good tackles, his high kicks were on the money, and I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Most importantly, he took the ball moving forwards instead of standing still, and passed it. Consequently the defence had to hold, everyone else was moving already and looked better - same as last week. Jordie's 2 best performances since the start of the season no coincidence. Tupaea getting 3-4x more play than Proctor has been.
So let's not forget the bar right now is not Daniel Carter - the bar is the slop that BB has been dishing up over the previous 5 weeks. And for those advocating Love - and I myself do want to see him play there - we need to remember he has started a handful of super games at 10, and those were pretty much as 3rd choice for the Hurricanes, behind Cameron and Godfrey.@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
McKenzie looked rusty, uncharacteristically poor off the T though hit the ones that mattered, and in very poor conditions it wasn't the great 'thank fuck let's leave him there' performance which most of us were hoping for. However, he covered well in defence, made some good tackles, his high kicks were on the money, and I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Most importantly, he took the ball moving forwards instead of standing still, and passed it. Consequently the defence had to hold, everyone else was moving already and looked better - same as last week. Jordie's 2 best performances since the start of the season no coincidence. Tupaea getting 3-4x more play than Proctor has been.
So let's not forget the bar right now is not Daniel Carter - the bar is the slop that BB has been dishing up over the previous 5 weeks. And for those advocating Love - and I myself do want to see him play there - we need to remember he has started a handful of super games at 10, and those were pretty much as 3rd choice for the Hurricanes, behind Cameron and Godfrey.A good perspective. He missed touch on a penalty and a conversion in front. In general play his kicking was no worse than BB - I wonder how much of that is just shit tactics/ a rote response to modern day defences. But your comments about moving onto the ball are bang on. I liked seeing Jordon running at half gaps ( I think he is a full back ) and the metres we made with ball in hand.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
Jordie put down a few, don't think Leroy or Leicester took one between them?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
Jordie put down a few, don't think Leroy or Leicester took one between them?
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
Jordie put down a few, don't think Leroy or Leicester took one between them?
Leroy dropped at least one and then didn’t contest one when he was right there.
Fainga’anuku went up for two both heavily contested and knocked one back and knocked the other one on.
Jordie lost a couple but both he and Jordan took one each in traffic.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
Jordie put down a few, don't think Leroy or Leicester took one between them?
Leroy dropped at least one and then didn’t contest one when he was right there.
Fainga’anuku went up for two both heavily contested and knocked one back and knocked the other one on.
Jordie lost a couple but both he and Jordan took one each in traffic.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I think he was about our only player who caught a high one all day.
Jordie?
Both Jordie and Jordan took a high ball.
Jordie put down a few, don't think Leroy or Leicester took one between them?
Leroy dropped at least one and then didn’t contest one when he was right there.
Fainga’anuku went up for two both heavily contested and knocked one back and knocked the other one on.
Jordie lost a couple but both he and Jordan took one each in traffic.
Sweet. Hardly a compelling effort with thenhigh ball, but at least both wingers gave it a fair crack ball in hand.
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Aussies didn’t kick it a heap to our wings. Speaking of Aussie kicking and play, Quade has given his 2 cents worth and got stuck into Schmidt and the Wallaby tactics or lack thereof
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Aussies didn’t kick it a heap to our wings. Speaking of Aussie kicking and play, Quade has given his 2 cents worth and got stuck into Schmidt and the Wallaby tactics or lack thereof
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Aussies didn’t kick it a heap to our wings. Speaking of Aussie kicking and play, Quade has given his 2 cents worth and got stuck into Schmidt and the Wallaby tactics or lack thereof
What? The tactics were good, they were killed by errors.
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Aussies didn’t kick it a heap to our wings. Speaking of Aussie kicking and play, Quade has given his 2 cents worth and got stuck into Schmidt and the Wallaby tactics or lack thereof
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Aussies didn’t kick it a heap to our wings. Speaking of Aussie kicking and play, Quade has given his 2 cents worth and got stuck into Schmidt and the Wallaby tactics or lack thereof
If GC had stolen Joe's laptop he could have seen the tactics were sound
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Still catching up on the thread, but my biggest concern with Tupea is they "ALB" him, constantly chopping and changing between 12 and 13 (and sometimes wing) depending on the needs of the team, instead of letting him really settle in one position. If they're going to play him at 13, they need to do that 100% of the time from now or he'll never improve defensively as that will take time for him to learn.
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Still catching up on the thread, but my biggest concern with Tupea is they "ALB" him, constantly chopping and changing between 12 and 13 (and sometimes wing) depending on the needs of the team, instead of letting him really settle in one position. If they're going to play him at 13, they need to do that 100% of the time from now or he'll never improve defensively as that will take time for him to learn.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Still catching up on the thread, but my biggest concern with Tupea is they "ALB" him, constantly chopping and changing between 12 and 13 (and sometimes wing) depending on the needs of the team, instead of letting him really settle in one position. If they're going to play him at 13, they need to do that 100% of the time from now or he'll never improve defensively as that will take time for him to learn.
Agreed. No other centres are putting their hands up ( someone in another thread mentioned Ennor and McLeod, yuck )
Tupaea has the upside to perform there consistently.
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I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
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And I really, really want to see a trio of:
- Vaa'i
- Dalton
- Lakai
Bench: Ardie
That would be by far the best use of our talents in NZ right now IMO. Size, height, work rate and threat ball in hand off the back of the scrum, with an absolute weapon on the bench to go nuts in the 2nd 40.
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I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
Ratima has steadily gone backwards for a little while now. He's now just racking up caps basically because he's on the bench so the coaching team feel obliged to put him out there for the last 7 mins.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
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I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
Ratima off the bench was ok though I thought?
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
You'd think they could hire Jane or someone who knew what they were doing to help him polish his rough edges?
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I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness, and by far the most influential change in the backline is having Roigard back at 9. Ratima was really poor this season, and Christie is, well, Christie. We are so reliant on Roigard it's not even funny.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I also still think BB and DMac are much of a muchness,
Hard disagree. They both make mistakes. McKenzie passes better and runs onto the ball - that makes zero difference to his highlight reel, but makes everybody outside him better. He's also in general a longer clearance and a better goal kicker.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
