The Silver Fern

Could Joseph and Cotter work together?

@Tim and to be fair to Savea, he has played better previously (and done some work) so maybe its the structure they have got him in and the environment that has lead him to giving zero shits (again, Bok test 2 makes more sense now) while having other players struggling with the envionment the cracks that used to be papered over are wide open for all to see

@Tim ha yeah sorry, wasnt much more than has been said here, just under pressure, Ardie future in doubt....

Just heard a soundbite on the radio about the review, so where there's smoke, there be fire.

@george33 said in All Blacks 2026:

This is just a big fucking mess .

something we can all agree on

I think the lacklustre effort in the 2nd SA test is starting to make alot more sense.

@reprobate re BB, I wonder if he is at that point in his career (and has been for some time) where his mind is still sharp in seeing things and knowing what he needs to do, but lacks the pace to exploit gaps or the execution (and luck that good players seem to have) when you put through these 30/70 kicks/passes.

@Chris have these players taken over due to no trust in the coaches, or have the coaches given them the reigns?

Can NZR afford to sack these guys and pay them out, that is assuming NZR didnt put some tight KPIs in the contract allowing for a parting of ways, that I am sceptical of given how keen they were to get him there in the 1st place.

I mean, in 'lala land' this coaching team see the damage to the brand, knowing they aint quite upto it and choose to leave of thier own accord, but I dont see that happening given we dont live in lala land, well, outside this forum

Colour me sceptical we will see any real change.

My dilemma is i cant see NZR firing the lot, while equally cant see the current coaches walk.

Of all of them i still think Ryan has alot to offer, and have wondered if this coaching team just isnt gelling or some seriously.mixed messages given the improvements our pack made when Ryan came in with Fozzie and Schmidt, while largely the same pack has regressed under Ryan since Razor has been at the helm...adds fuel to the fire of a poor environment.

@Chris not as dramatic.

@Unite guess its a way to weed out your 'source' and their TSF pseudonym

@Chris freeing up funds to buyout a contract....

@reprobate Mutiny?

@kiwiinmelb I was thinking the same...if someone did come in though, they'd almost have carte blanche to write thier contract you'd think given the current mess and the one that was supposedly over Fozzie too.

Problem with doing what Fozzie did is that who can he even bring in? Sounds like there are real issues across the whole coaching team, our forwards have regressed after Razor took over, despite the improvements under Ryan when he was in Fozzies team.

NZR really have painted themselves into a corner here....Fire Razor and his team, next in line is...? Not to mention they woudl likely be able to dictate terms.

Keep Razor, ditch his team, who wants to work for him when it seems he is part of the problem here?

Fucking mess, can't even flush the dunny and move on, this turd is a floater and aint gonna flush.

@Victor-Meldrew well after the Foster fiasco, youd have hoped NZR would have learnt and had some kpi or performance indicators to trigger a 2 year review witha view to parting ways...or something more.than what it seems we got.

@Crazy-Horse although anyone who knows rugby at these corporate gigs would also know these stars are fading, and wonder why Roigard and/or Holland arent there instead

@reprobate absolutely, sliding doors and all, but had he gone on tour with NZ A last year, he gets experience, grows slightly, gets different break, body and mind in different condition, is not in that position for the moment that causes that injury (or could have been injured on tour, worse or slightly less serious and ready for the start of super)

@DurryMexted If it is the case that BB is only there because of this relationship, I doubt this is what Razor decided, this would have come from the top of NZR telling him BB must play...

I would also doubt, the head of that corporate that invested millions would have any expectations on who the ABs should select week in week out, especially as it could potentially impact the eyeballs seeing his brand if the teams he is sponsoring continues to splutter.

@Duluth he seems to be that type, he has had offers elsewhere, but as you say, content with his lot.

Kudo's to him, certainly never lived up to his potential, and frustrating as hell to watch given you see glimpses of his ceiling, but he seems committed to the Blues & Northland.

I see Caleb Clarke has been spending time with the Sydney Swans, which is great to see.