All Blacks 2025
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Infuriating.
It winds me right up.
Keane and Viera had nothing good to say about each other until the career was over.
And thats the way it should be.
How can you go into battle against a fella who is hugging your children on the regular.
Yeah they should watch some Mike Tyson videos and threaten to eat each others children, not hug them.
Save all that shit for when they’re retired.
Id be friends with no one until career over.
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
In both the Buenos Aries loss and the Wellington one this year you can see moments where players are getting to an extent bullied and there's not really a reaction. Its like the abs now are overly concerned with being nice.
It wouldn't matter if they were winning all the time but it's evident teams neither respect nor fear the abs right now and I don't think prior generations would stand for that the way the 2025 crop are.
Seven tries in his first two tests probably helped break the ice somewhat.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2025:
Anyone seen the latest Facebook post on the ABs page of savea talking about Kolisi? Bit too much love thy neighbour. Vomit inducing
Infuriating.
It winds me right up.
Keane and Viera had nothing good to say about each other until the career was over.
And thats the way it should be.
How can you go into battle against a fella who is hugging your children on the regular.
Yeah they should watch some Mike Tyson videos and threaten to eat each others children, not hug them.
Save all that shit for when they’re retired.
Id be friends with no one until career over.
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
In both the Buenos Aries loss and the Wellington one this year you can see moments where players are getting to an extent bullied and there's not really a reaction. Its like the abs now are overly concerned with being nice.
It wouldn't matter if they were winning all the time but it's evident teams neither respect nor fear the abs right now and I don't think prior generations would stand for that the way the 2025 crop are.
There is no edge in the squad and hasnt been for ages.
Remember when some of the players went to Robinson's room to tell him they were sticking by Fozzie and not to sack him.
The fucking cheek of them when you think about it.
They should be worried about losing their place in the team not choosing who their coach is.
The loyalty to Fozzie while admirable, spoke to a subconscious belief amongst them that they themselves are bigger than the coach/the team/the entity/ the brand.
You lads worry about playing and winning some games and let the higher ups worry about who they will give the reins to. They have to answer to sponsors and other corporate KPI's.
When you read Cullens book he was essentially bullied for the first part of his career. They all were.
Our body language on the field is conciliatory, passive and dare I say Beta.
When was the last time one of our boys started a bit of a blue. Not throw a punch, but grab a collar and roll around on the ground and have to be separated by team mates with a follow up chat from the ref.
Kolisi is going around pressing the flesh like an ambassador while his locks hookers and scrum half are touching us up and pushing us around on the regular.
We are not happening to the game, the game is happening to us.
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@restofit said in All Blacks 2025:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
I've felt Holland has been out of his depth ever since he automatically got the head coaching gig at the Canes, was even more baffled when Razor wanted him on his team.
Holland was assistant coach to Canterbury at the same time as Razor. Razor seems to be a relationship guy - he trusts people he has known for some time. It's great, but only if they are actually really good coaches.
Which Holland has proven he’s not.
Holland is the strike play coach, no? Out of all the coaches this year, he’s been earning his corn off first phase. Not a great deal he can do if the team can’t win good first phase ball. They did in the first test against Boks and they carved them open for 2 tries. That suggests some degree of good coaching, no?
Bryn Evans has been responsible for most of the All Blacks tries off set-piece this year, there was a recent article that detailed the difference Evans has made to the strike plays, which were a real weaknesses for us last year & Razor bringing in Evans is the best thing he's done all tenure - that wrap around try off the back of the scrum in Wellington was a play Evans used previously at the Hurricanes.
I am not sure about that Evans is in charge of the line outs and they have not been great.
Holland was also involved in that strike move as it was from a line out involving the backs..
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@SammyC said in All Blacks 2025:
Also, fuck Richie Mou'aga swanning back for 1 season and then leaving again.... another one that doesn't want to work for his spot in the team.
I'm hopeful that this one season thing isn't the actual plan and it's more based around the possibility that things might not unfold as Richie (or Razor) might hope.
Because, if that really is the plan - to swan in play the RWC and fuck off - then he should have been told to fuck off.
And I say that as one of Richie's biggest fans on here.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@SammyC said in All Blacks 2025:
Also, fuck Richie Mou'aga swanning back for 1 season and then leaving again.... another one that doesn't want to work for his spot in the team.
I'm hopeful that this one season thing isn't the actual plan and it's more based around the possibility that things might not unfold as Richie (or Razor) might hope.
Because, if that really is the plan - to swan in play the RWC and fuck off - then he should have been told to fuck off.
And I say that as one of Richie's biggest fans on here.
saying no to coming back this year (and playing two seasons before the RWC) but accepting coming back....we assume as he currently gets paid more?....is more than enough for me to tell him to F off
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look, we're all just shouting in to the void, none of us have any idea what is actually going on inside the camp. But we care, so we make shit up. We're also not helped by the lack of honesty in teh communications, but that's another story.
That said, from the outside, there does look like a culture that lacks an edge, that lacks accountability, but is very big on acceptance. The last few posts about Richie M are telling, given the posters who made them.
Fine, you don't trust DMac with the keys, your call you're the coach. But there is no way BB deserves to be the starting 10 for a top level team, yet he's just there accumulating substandard cap after substandard cap. It looks for all the world like no accountability for performance, but acceptance of "well there's no one else, and i don't need to develop any one because i get another 10 back next year". If RMo comes back like everyone else comes back from Japan then we are fuuuuuucked.Scott Barrett is the captain. You would be hard pressed to suggest he is in the top 3 performing locks this year. Walked around a lot on Saturday. Accountability? no. Acceptance? yes.
You could go through the squad and find underperforming players that are immune to accountability, while we rotate the wingers (an absolute coaching classic to look like you are open to change without changing anything).And yes the fucking edge. I get it's 2025, and these blokes just do not care about rugby like we do. It's their job. Half of them probably don't even watch games. But holy shit guys, the only reason you get paid as much as you do in a tiny country in the corner of nowhere is because the people of that tiny country care a lot. It isn't just a game champ, it's your literal profession, paid for because people very much give serious fucks. Again, we're not there, maybe the boys are hurting in the sheds, but shit boys, messaging matters!
7 tests in to the year, very consistent selections, can anyone honestly say the team is improving? Everyone expects a backlash against Australia, are we capable of one? And will it mean anything? Recent history says even if we do play well, that level will not be replicated in Perth.
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@mariner4life fucken oath.
I'm a McKenzie guy, but if a coach went for e.g. Plummer or Love I'd happily wear that as a different tactic, investing in youth, whatever. Barrett has become a joke.
These fluffybunnies need to realise it's a privilege to be paid lots to run around, and that they've let everyone who supplies that privilege down. Instead we've got uncle siya happy families - and that's the bloke people think should be captain. The bloke whose answer to pressure is to try a fucking chip kick himself, just on the tiny chance it comes off and he can be the hero. -
I think Ardie is a phenomenal athlete. And his highlight reel is freakish.
But he is not the Allblack captain for me.
He’s a swan diver, superman try scoring celebration, “this is my house”, silly dummy throwing player perfect for the tik tok age.
The chip and chases, the hungus lack of passing, the unnecessary leg drive at times that allows the opposition to get back into line because he wants to fight for a pyrrhic extra yard for brand Ardie.
I seen footage of him in the huddle after the game giving the post loss debrief. He always knows when the cameras are on and where they are.
His rallying cry at the end….?
“Sweet?” And then the players all chant “sweet”.
We carry on like the under 20’s.
They are not serious people.
Not in the way McCaw, Thorn, the Franks brothers, Hayman et al were.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
who I think has been the best brother of the three this season, by quite some margin.
Easily.
But it's not a high bar these days .... (Can piss off the Cantabs, the Aucklanders, the Naki and Canes fans all in one sentence?
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
That type of shit got rightfully punted eventually during the Henry era, and it contributed to one of the most dominant AB eras ever.
I think we're over analysing this a bit now. We're just a but shit, our coaches are shit, whether players are mates off field with the opposition, or whether there's an 80s style hierarchy doesn't matter.
We can't even do the basics right, we can't catch, we don't kick for territory even though we have a couple of guys who can get distance, we appear mot to have a defensive coach ...
I'm hoping Razor can turn it around and it's just taken him this long to adjust to this level.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
That type of shit got rightfully punted eventually during the Henry era, and it contributed to one of the most dominant AB eras ever.
I think we're over analysing this a bit now. We're just a but shit, our coaches are shit, whether players are mates off field with the opposition, or whether there's an 80s style hierarchy doesn't matter.
We can't even do the basics right, we can't catch, we don't kick for territory even though we have a couple of guys who can get distance, we appear mot to have a defensive coach ...
I'm hoping Razor can turn it around and it's just taken him this long to adjust to this level.
Maybe we shouldn’t be hitting each other with pool noodles when we are doing catch practise.
They should be putting up kicks and having Jordan, Love Beaudy, DMAC and the wingers smashing into each other trying to catch it.
We don’t need an 80’s hierarchy but we need lads to be pulled after 30 40 mins if having a stinker, or dropped altogether.
THIS IS THE ALLBLACKS.
If the lads are performing shit 2 games in a row get them gone. Have them sit in the cheap seats and ruminate on what they have to do to get back in the team.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks 2025:
Pele
173cm tall
That's freakish from Pele - one of the greatest athletes of all time.
All things being equal outside backs are on a similar level of explosiveness in terms of pace/standing jump so you could maybe assume that someone who is 190cm vs 170cm is going to be able to get their hands higher.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
That type of shit got rightfully punted eventually during the Henry era, and it contributed to one of the most dominant AB eras ever.
I think we're over analysing this a bit now. We're just a but shit, our coaches are shit, whether players are mates off field with the opposition, or whether there's an 80s style hierarchy doesn't matter.
We can't even do the basics right, we can't catch, we don't kick for territory even though we have a couple of guys who can get distance, we appear mot to have a defensive coach ...
I'm hoping Razor can turn it around and it's just taken him this long to adjust to this level.
I agree with all you've said except I don't have the same hope as you in the last sentence. For things to change I think he will need to replace some of his coaching staff like Foster did. Some of them just aren't up to it.
Also the ignoring/shunning of Blues players just doesn't add up and something seems to be off there. Similar sort of thing seems to be happening to when Mains was in charge. The coaching staff seem to have a bit of a chip or their heads up their arses.
Apart from Tuipulotu they've ignored the Blues best players and now have the likes of BB and Christie in the team. Many Blues fans would argue that those two are what have held the Blues back.
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bold of you to suggest we will make another RWC final
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia what about cards?
Ah fuck, we'll be playing 7 aside but with only 6 on the field.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
One thing I noticed this younger generation just don't have that same intensity and edge like the older ones.
Its even down to stuff like I heard Cully said the old schoolers like Zinny and Fitzy really would not give the newbies like him the time of day until they had established themselves.
That type of shit got rightfully punted eventually during the Henry era, and it contributed to one of the most dominant AB eras ever.
I think we're over analysing this a bit now. We're just a but shit, our coaches are shit, whether players are mates off field with the opposition, or whether there's an 80s style hierarchy doesn't matter.
We can't even do the basics right, we can't catch, we don't kick for territory even though we have a couple of guys who can get distance, we appear mot to have a defensive coach ...
I'm hoping Razor can turn it around and it's just taken him this long to adjust to this level.
No worries - just needs to fix up the attack, the defense, the set piece, the selection, the leadership and the coaching......
