Springboks vs Pumas I
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@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@akan004 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
I only see France living with this Boks team right now. They have taken their game to another level since the last RWC which is something I didn't see coming. The clash in Paris is going to be something special.
Absolutely.
Somebody mentioned this ABs team is a bit like the black caps from a few years back where they would select players because they cleared a half century a few seasons back.
The likes of BB and Ioane should have been phased out 2 or 3 seasons ago. Their performances just haven't been enough.
Sooner than that.
Beaudy was “washed” by his own standards at the end of the 2019 World Cup.
Rieko has done fuck all since 2020 really, again by his own standards.
We have gone soft at the selection table.
ALB has 80 odd caps. I can’t remember a signature performance amongst them.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
PSDT into my Top 10 players of all time
Remarkable when you consider his career was nearly over twice.
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He’s fucking everywhere
SA 67-30 Argentina
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NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
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@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
In fact, it has given many more players an opportunity
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@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
We are a joke right now. Handicapping ourselves by not even allowing players who have returned to NZ to be picked immediately- i.e Leicester. We simply aren't good enough to be this stupid. A pro game run by amateurs.
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@W32 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
In fact, it has given many more players an opportunity
shh! Dont let the cat out of the bag!
Giving new talent the opportunity at TOP flight rugby around the world means that when your country comes calling, you're as ready as can be.
It's insular thinking if you ask me.
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Look at the demographics of NZ and SA. SA aren’t excluding a sizeable part of their population anymore and have worked hard in their development pathways to identify and select the best talent available. SA are now reaping the benefits of greater playing numbers.
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@akan004 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
We are a joke right now. Handicapping ourselves by not even allowing players who have returned to NZ to be picked - i.e Leicester. We simply aren't good enough to be this stupid. A pro game run by amateurs.
Who is playing overseas that the All Blacks would select?
NZ is fighting a losing battle given their geography and the strength of the Kiwi dollar to keep young talent in NZ. If NZ allow players to be selected from abroad, then it will gut what is already a small playing pool (relative to other countries). Less time with players, less chance to work and develop them.
SA, by joining European competition, now have the cash to retain their young players. SA were losing large numbers abroad for a time for exactly the reason NZ are now.
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@PN said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@W32 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
In fact, it has given many more players an opportunity
shh! Dont let the cat out of the bag!
Giving new talent the opportunity at TOP flight rugby around the world means that when your country comes calling, you're as ready as can be.
It's insular thinking if you ask me.
It’s ok. Most kiwis think that the players in NZ are not the problem. … even after the last 3 coaches have had, according to them below par performances. It’s a circular firing squad.
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@stodders there are a number of players in tonight's team that were produced by European club rugby. ie Boan was 1 week away from being selected to play for Scotland before Rassie Yoinked him.
That is to say, why do players need to be developed in NZ specifically?
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@stodders said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@akan004 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
We are a joke right now. Handicapping ourselves by not even allowing players who have returned to NZ to be picked - i.e Leicester. We simply aren't good enough to be this stupid. A pro game run by amateurs.
Who is playing overseas that the All Blacks would select?
NZ is fighting a losing battle given their geography and the strength of the Kiwi dollar to keep young talent in NZ. If NZ allow players to be selected from abroad, then it will gut what is already a small playing pool (relative to other countries). Less time with players, less chance to work and develop them.
SA, by joining European competition, now have the cash to retain their young players. SA were losing large numbers abroad for a time for exactly the reason NZ are now.
I have always been a fan of a Giteau type law or limiting overseas selections to a set number, regardless of caps earned. I don't necessarily believe in opening up totally due to the reasons you have outlined.
What I find unbelievably stupid ATM is the refusal to pick players who have just returned to NZ. If you are playing in NZ you should be available for selection. Mounga is likely going to be our 10 at the next RWC if Razor is still in charge, but under the current restrictions he will only get selected on the EOYT next year, which gives him fuck all time to gel with the rest of the backline. It's a joke.
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@PN said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@stodders there are a number of players in tonight's team that were produced by European club rugby. ie Boan was 1 week away from being selected to play for Scotland before Rassie Yoinked him.
That is to say, why do players need to be developed in NZ specifically?
That is a different point. And a good one I will concede.
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@akan004 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@stodders said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@akan004 said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
@ExiledHalfback said in Springboks vs Pumas I:
NZRU need to get their head out of their arses. Overseas player selections hasn't damaged the Curry Cup as a competition.
We are a joke right now. Handicapping ourselves by not even allowing players who have returned to NZ to be picked - i.e Leicester. We simply aren't good enough to be this stupid. A pro game run by amateurs.
Who is playing overseas that the All Blacks would select?
NZ is fighting a losing battle given their geography and the strength of the Kiwi dollar to keep young talent in NZ. If NZ allow players to be selected from abroad, then it will gut what is already a small playing pool (relative to other countries). Less time with players, less chance to work and develop them.
SA, by joining European competition, now have the cash to retain their young players. SA were losing large numbers abroad for a time for exactly the reason NZ are now.
I have always been a fan of a Giteau type law or limiting overseas selections to a set number, regardless of caps earned. I don't necessarily believe in opening up totally due to the reasons you have outlined.
What I find unbelievably stupid ATM is the refusal to pick players who have just returned to NZ. If you are playing in NZ you should be available for selection. Mounga is likely going to be our 10 at the next RWC if Razor is still in charge, but under the current restrictions he will only get selected on the EOYT next year, which gives him fuck all time to gel with the rest of the backline. It's a joke.
Agreed.
Once players are back under contract and in NZ they should be eligible for selection.
