All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
-
Savea is inarguably our best forward on the turnover, Kirifi second, then daylight. There are some other aspects to the game:
Running hard into contact (okay).
Passing and holding space (okay).
Beating defenders (good).
Lineout target (poor).
Dominant tackles (below average).
Try-line defence (average).
Quantity of tackles (okay).
Accuracy of tackles (very good).
Securing attacking rucks (poor).
Slowing down opposition ball (okay). -
@nostrildamus I think the opportunity to try this out is on the end of year tour particularly against Wales.
-
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Savea is inarguably our best forward on the turnover, Kirifi second, then daylight. There are some other aspects to the game:
Running hard into contact (okay).
Passing and holding space (okay).
Beating defenders (good).
Lineout target (poor).
Dominant tackles (below average).
Try-line defence (average).
Quantity of tackles (okay).
Accuracy of tackles (very good).
Securing attacking rucks (poor).
Slowing down opposition ball (okay).Razor likes his players to play both sides of the ball. He makes no mention of them having to do that well...
-
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ExiledHalfback said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Mauss that's unreal analysis
I hate the current chopping and changing culture the ABs have. They need to find a back row and stick with it. For me off the back of that analysis why not:
- Lakai (has he played here)
- Dalton (we need a work horse, someone phone and apologize)
- Savea
Bench Sititi. I've not seen anything from Parker which makes me think he's in the fold really.
I want balance.
- Muscle + intimidation
- Engine + disruption
- Composure + explosiveness
I don't want any of them to shy away from making tackles and hitting rucks and I never want to see a chip kick.
I basically want to replicate Kaino, McCaw, Read or earlier, Alan Whetton, Michael Jones, Buck Shelford or Zinzan
I like that they're trying Parker and Vaa'i at 6 and I'm patient enough to wait for these guys to find their feet - genuine size to be strong lineout options and jump against Big Pieter-Steph.
Size-wise I like Ardie at 7, because he's always going to be a small 8. He probably doesn't play either role in a traditional manner, but he can play footy.
I'd like a big bruising 8, which frankly could be Hoskins (I don't buy the coaching conspiracy theories) if he's fit and in form. Thought Lakai went well at the weekend, Sititi looked the business last year, and CLW did a good job earlier this year - I'd like all of them to be a bit bigger.
-
-
@rewa267 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would like to see Lakai start a game at 7 and Siti at 8
If we're sticking to those currently in the squad (to make the suggestion somewhat realistic) I would too, but only if Parker, Finau or Vaa'i are at 6.
-
@Chris-B yeah I thought Parker showed huge promise in his latest game, couple of lovely moments of returning opposition from whence they came.
Lakai played probably his best test and looked like he could make a good fist of 7 (although it was eerily similar to Jacobson style I thought).
Just need Read (or more likely Sotutu).
Savea/Sititi/CLW perfect bench men.
-
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
That's awesome stuff - along with your various other posts.
Without breaking any privacy protocols - this isn't the work of an average punter. Have you managed to get paid to do some of this stuff?
Thanks, it was fun to write. Making all those gifs was more time-consuming than I liked but I didn’t want to cut back too much (Sititi’s ruck watching at Eden Park didn’t make the cut, alas).
No, no money involved. It’s a strange hobby, I’ll admit, but it’s enjoyable in itself to me to get a better understanding of things. And putting stuff into words helps a lot in this regard.
-
@Mauss said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
That's awesome stuff - along with your various other posts.
Without breaking any privacy protocols - this isn't the work of an average punter. Have you managed to get paid to do some of this stuff?
Thanks, it was fun to write. Making all those gifs was more time-consuming than I liked but I didn’t want to cut back too much (Sititi’s ruck watching at Eden Park didn’t make the cut, alas).
No, no money involved. It’s a strange hobby, I’ll admit, but it’s enjoyable in itself to me to get a better understanding of things. And putting stuff into words helps a lot in this regard.
Mate, the only thing I have any fault with it? Just it makes me envious someone has the ability to do this as a fan. I absolutely love the game, but have neither the patience nor brains to do it
, so again, it's great and I/we appreciate it! -
I am not in the CLW bandwagon. He was just okayish against France C. He is a midget for a Nr.8, as is Kirifi for an opensider. Both are very good at SR level but their lack of size is insurmountable against the likes of SA, England, Ireland or a full strength France.
-
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I am not in the CLW bandwagon. He was just okayish against France C. He is a midget for a Nr.8, as is Kirifi for an opensider. Both are very good at SR level but their lack of size is insurmountable against the likes of SA, England, Ireland or a full strength France.
Fair call. It was France C
-
@African-Monkey Fair. Maybe reading it after the event made it worse. I certainly was criticising a lot in the first 20 minutes but also really impressed that we weren't 10-15 points down. There were some great saves.
-
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Why should SFM have been red carded?
I believe that was Moodie
Who knew @NTA stood for Nisbo The Aussie
Even so, zero chance of Moodie getting a red card. Worst case scenario the knock down would have been a penalty (but I think the right verdict was reached).
-
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I am not in the CLW bandwagon. He was just okayish against France C. He is a midget for a Nr.8, as is Kirifi for an opensider. Both are very good at SR level but their lack of size is insurmountable against the likes of SA, England, Ireland or a full strength France.
He looked very regular sized in the flesh when I saw him vs France earlier this year. There's already enough guys of that ilk like Savea, Sititi, Kirifi and Lakai.
-
I'm not really on the CLW bandwagon per se and agree that there are too many small guys.
On form I'd take Lio WIllie and Lakai over Sititi and Kirifi.
Of those four I think there is only room for one in the squad and its probably Lakai at the moment.
My top 6 would be:
Savea, Papali'i, Sotutu, Finau, Paker, and Lakai
Sititi needs to go back to SRP and regain some form. If Sotutu is out with shoulder surgery recovery I'd bring in Flanders who is the form NPC player at 8 and has also played very well at Super Level. I realise Lio Willie has been very good also but Flanders has been better and he offers more size. Flanders is closer to Sotutu in that he offers a very good lineout option.
Jacobson seems to be in Blackadder territory now. I thought he was the Chiefs best forward this year so he should be there but he's just too unreliable injury wise.
-
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15 than a 10
Fixed
-
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?
