New All Black Coach
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
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@Chris-B said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia I haven't completed my research on quite how well the Hammer's St. Thomas' team have been going in the Toyota Cup or whatever it's called these days!
I thought he'd be in there just clear out all the fan favourite ABs regardless of how well his rugby team at his league school is going.
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@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
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@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@Chris-B said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia I haven't completed my research on quite how well the Hammer's St. Thomas' team have been going in the Toyota Cup or whatever it's called these days!
I thought he'd be in there just clear out all the fan favourite ABs regardless of how well his rugby team at his league school is going.
Just the Hurricanes - Beaudy (he really is at heart), Ardie and Kirifi.
If you're lacking an axe, a Hammer is nearly as good!
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
After that, fuck him.
What? One of our best double agents?!
Deans, Rennie. Schmidt...the Aussies just don't bloody learn!
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
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@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
#don’tjudgemyirrationality
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
#don’tjudgemyirrationality
Yeah I'm probably not going to get on my high horse about irrational dislike.
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@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
#don’tjudgemyirrationality
Yeah I'm probably not going to get on my high horse about irrational dislike.
You can borrow mine.
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
#don’tjudgemyirrationality
Yeah I'm probably not going to get on my high horse about irrational dislike.
You can borrow mine.
Not when mine is finally maturing.
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It's sounding very difficult to become a great AB coach.
Coach an important team that doesn't challenge the ABs.
Make them better but not better than the ABs
Choose your team before the interview
Ace the interview
Improve the ABs so your past experience isn't held against you.
Given even Scotland can currently compete with the ABs, this sounds like an increasingly difficult test... -
@nostrildamus said in New All Black Coach:
It's sounding very difficult to become a great AB coach.
Coach an important team that doesn't challenge the ABs.
Make them better but not better than the ABs
Choose your team before the interview
Ace the interview
Improve the ABs so your past experience isn't held against you.
Given even Scotland can currently compete with the ABs, this sounds like an increasingly difficult test...I think we are down to Wales, you have to coach Wales. That is the only acceptable pathway.
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@reprobate said in New All Black Coach:
@nostrildamus said in New All Black Coach:
It's sounding very difficult to become a great AB coach.
Coach an important team that doesn't challenge the ABs.
Make them better but not better than the ABs
Choose your team before the interview
Ace the interview
Improve the ABs so your past experience isn't held against you.
Given even Scotland can currently compete with the ABs, this sounds like an increasingly difficult test...I think we are down to Wales, you have to coach Wales. That is the only acceptable pathway.
You're welcome
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@MiketheSnow said in New All Black Coach:
@reprobate said in New All Black Coach:
@nostrildamus said in New All Black Coach:
It's sounding very difficult to become a great AB coach.
Coach an important team that doesn't challenge the ABs.
Make them better but not better than the ABs
Choose your team before the interview
Ace the interview
Improve the ABs so your past experience isn't held against you.
Given even Scotland can currently compete with the ABs, this sounds like an increasingly difficult test...I think we are down to Wales, you have to coach Wales. That is the only acceptable pathway.
You're welcome
It's our "Special relationship"
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@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
Funnily enough, not a name that gets mentioned, because fuck Robbie Deans.
I don't mean that in he's a bad person way, just he clearly didn't bleed for the ABs to win.
I honestly can't imagine coaching another team against the ABs. I can't imagine preparing a team to try to beat the ABs and actually thinking / wanting them to win.
I'm prepared to except certain teams based on my personal preference, so I get why it's an irrational belief. Scotland is OK, because if we lose to them it says more about us than them.
Nevertheless, for me, if you have been the head coach of SA (which will never happen for a kiwi), Australia (far too fucking common), or England (and recently Ireland), fuck you very much.
Mate, Ted and Shag both coached overseas teams, if they didn't play Bs while they were there was only luck. I rather coaches learnt to coach test rugby ,even in Aus, than getting thrown in cold for ABs.
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I don't give a shite which other nation a bloke has coached if he is qualified and best candidate he gets the gig.
Dave Rennie hell yeah - I see him as a guy to build the legacy back
Vern Cotter potentially as his forwards coach
Joe Schmitt in a Wayne Smith type role ( or as Razor sees himself without taking the head coach cap).
JJ could also take one of those roles... the biggest thing is they jell and work together which seems to be lacking in the current set up -
@kidcalder said in New All Black Coach:
I don't give a shite which other nation a bloke has coached if he is qualified and best candidate he gets the gig.
Dave Rennie hell yeah - I see him as a guy to build the legacy back
Vern Cotter potentially as his forwards coach
Joe Schmitt in a Wayne Smith type role ( or as Razor sees himself without taking the head coach cap).
JJ could also take one of those roles... the biggest thing is they jell and work together which seems to be lacking in the current set upWe are in a hole right now, this is a dark period in our ABs history, whatever it takes to rebuild our tarnished legacy
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@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Bones said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
@Nepia said in New All Black Coach:
@gt12 said in New All Black Coach:
I'll expand, which likely won't give greater clarity.
Absolute no-nos:
SA, England, AustraliaIreland probably now goes to that group above, but when he went to Australia, I think they would have been in the group below for me. Argentina are still in the group below, but based on recent results maybe might be going up
I still don't like it:
France, Ireland, ArgentinaGo for it:
Scotland, Wales, Japan, FijiMy criteria is - do they have the quality to win the WC, Bled, or Rugby Championship? If so, no.
It just opens up more holes, the current Oz team has little to no chance of winning the Bledisloe and that's a two horse race, and I'd give Argentina more chance of winning the RC.
The simple fact is, if Rennie wasn't treated so despicably by NZR, he likely wouldn't have taken up the Oz offer at the time he did. You should be forever grateful he turned your franchise from also rans to contenders.
Who have you decided to switch to now?
For as much as I care about franchise rugby I still support the Chiefs, I was just emphasising it was your franchise he brought success to ....
That's the source. He's a fucking great coach, supposedly an excellent person, and I would have selected him as our HC or as an assistant, right up until he went to coach Australia.
After that, fuck him.
Surely you take into account proximity? Plus I would put Aus close to Scotland in your dream world - if we lose to them it says more about us. AB rugby is stronger when Aus rugby is stronger.
#don’tjudgemyirrationality
Yeah I'm probably not going to get on my high horse about irrational dislike.
Why break with tradition?!
