Black Caps tour of India

[Darren]

Mitchell's average and strike rate are really off the charts so far.

[KiwiPie]

Mitchell has really impressed in that tricky number 5 role where you have to play the situation in ODIs. He's prepared to dig in when the top order has failed and either build a decent total when batting first or see it through to the end if batting second. He's built a great international career for someone starting it aged 28.

[Virgil]

@KiwiPie said in Black Caps tour of India:

Mitchell has really impressed in that tricky number 5 role where you have to play the situation in ODIs. He's prepared to dig in when the top order has failed and either build a decent total when batting first or see it through to the end if batting second. He's built a great international career for someone starting it aged 28.

its a shame his test record has gone backwards. Hasnt been able to consistently score 100's but his ODI record is superb so far
Only Kohli has a higher average amongst full nations sides.

[MN5]

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe
Astle might be the weakest link but hes a very sentimental pick for myself and id imagine many others too
he also played in an era where you played it safer in the opening 15 or so overs and built from there
Many of his 100's would have come in wins too.
Plus he gets bonus points for being handy with the ball.

The fact these two walk into all time XIs for NZ in both formats is a massive credit to both of them as players.

[canefan]

@KiwiPie said in Black Caps tour of India:

Mitchell has really impressed in that tricky number 5 role where you have to play the situation in ODIs. He's prepared to dig in when the top order has failed and either build a decent total when batting first or see it through to the end if batting second. He's built a great international career for someone starting it aged 28.

He's like a Kiwi David Hussey

[MN5]

@canefan said in Black Caps tour of India:

@KiwiPie said in Black Caps tour of India:

Mitchell has really impressed in that tricky number 5 role where you have to play the situation in ODIs. He's prepared to dig in when the top order has failed and either build a decent total when batting first or see it through to the end if batting second. He's built a great international career for someone starting it aged 28.

He's like a Kiwi David Hussey

Well in some ways but he's a fine test player too, poor old Hussey Jr never even got a shot despite an amazing FC record ( 14K runs @ 52 )

[canefan]

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@canefan said in Black Caps tour of India:

@KiwiPie said in Black Caps tour of India:

Mitchell has really impressed in that tricky number 5 role where you have to play the situation in ODIs. He's prepared to dig in when the top order has failed and either build a decent total when batting first or see it through to the end if batting second. He's built a great international career for someone starting it aged 28.

He's like a Kiwi David Hussey

Well in some ways but he's a fine test player too, poor old Hussey Jr never even got a shot despite an amazing FC record ( 14K runs @ 52 )

As with most analogies, it isn't perfect

[reprobate]

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

[MN5]

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

Astle played in an era where mid 30s was a very good ODI average

[Virgil]

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

yeah nah have to hard disagree there.

Had a dig into Astles 100's
14 of them came in wins.

As mentioned the game was different in his time.
its not like he couldnt bat at an outrageous pace, still holds the test record for the fastest test double hundred after all.

Guptill had his issues, wasnt always consistent but not many ODI openers have an average over 40.00
he's a shoe in to open for me.

[reprobate]

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

Astle played in an era where mid 30s was a very good ODI average

Oh I've seen them play bro - admittedly Turner not so much. But Crowe vs Astle? pfft. Ask any bowler. I'd still say it's not even close even if it were an absolute road for every game guaranteed - they're just not in the same class at all.

[MN5]

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

yeah nah have to hard disagree there.

Had a dig into Astles 100's
14 of them came in wins.

As mentioned the game was different in his time.
its not like he couldnt bat at an outrageous pace, still holds the test record for the fastest test double hundred after all.

Guptill had his issues, wasnt always consistent but not many ODI openers have an average over 40.00
he's a shoe in to open for me.

Yep, biggest one being test Cricket.

But ODIs ? absolutely walks in. Fantastic record.

Crowe vs Astle is a bloody tough one, there's room for both.....but then check Glenn Turners ODI average ESPECIALLY in that era ?!?!?! ( much smaller sample size counts against him )

McCullum keeps and bats seven then Vettori, Hadlee, Bond and Boult. Easy.

Astle and Mitch share 10 overs between them with the ball.

[reprobate]

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

yeah nah have to hard disagree there.

Had a dig into Astles 100's
14 of them came in wins.

As mentioned the game was different in his time.
its not like he couldnt bat at an outrageous pace, still holds the test record for the fastest test double hundred after all.

Guptill had his issues, wasnt always consistent but not many ODI openers have an average over 40.00
he's a shoe in to open for me.

Yep, biggest one being test Cricket.

But ODIs ? absolutely walks in. Fantastic record.

Crowe vs Astle is a bloody tough one, there's room for both.....but then check Glenn Turners ODI average ESPECIALLY in that era ?!?!?! ( much smaller sample size counts against him )

McCullum keeps and bats seven then Vettori, Hadlee, Bond and Boult. Easy.

Astle and Mitch share 10 overs between them with the ball.

If we're in what-if world, Marty is the better bowler too bro.

[MN5]

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@MN5 said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

@reprobate said in Black Caps tour of India:

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Work is quiet and 99.89% of the fern is focused on some high school All Black drama.....

thats our all time top ODI century scorers to date ( Fleming and Latham also have 8 x 100's)

I'd suggest those 5 pictured would make our all time ODI batting top 5?

Guptill
Astle
Williamson
Taylor
Mitchell

Thats if you're happy to leave out Turner and Crowe

With all due respect to Nathan Astle, he's not even close to those guys. Guptill too.

yeah nah have to hard disagree there.

Had a dig into Astles 100's
14 of them came in wins.

As mentioned the game was different in his time.
its not like he couldnt bat at an outrageous pace, still holds the test record for the fastest test double hundred after all.

Guptill had his issues, wasnt always consistent but not many ODI openers have an average over 40.00
he's a shoe in to open for me.

Yep, biggest one being test Cricket.

But ODIs ? absolutely walks in. Fantastic record.

Crowe vs Astle is a bloody tough one, there's room for both.....but then check Glenn Turners ODI average ESPECIALLY in that era ?!?!?! ( much smaller sample size counts against him )

McCullum keeps and bats seven then Vettori, Hadlee, Bond and Boult. Easy.

Astle and Mitch share 10 overs between them with the ball.

If we're in what-if world, Marty is the better bowler too bro.

whether that's accurate or not ( Astle was very useful ) is neither here nor there, he can share the 10 overs too.

Astle
Guptill
KW
Crowe
Taylor
Mitchell
McCullum
Hadlee
Vettori
Bond
Boult

I'm bloody happy with that team ! not sure who I'd have captain, there's a few options.

Matt Henry probably unluckiest to miss out......

[Virgil]

Helped by the ability of both Astle and Mitchell to bowl a few overs if needed

[Crazy Horse]

While I think Astle's batting would translate pretty well to today's game, I reckon his bowling wouldn't. I can't recall seeing any slow bowlers like him going around at the moment. Slow bowlers seem to be spinners nowadays. Even Mitchell is a bit quicker than Astle was.

[MN5]

@Virgil said in Black Caps tour of India:

Helped by the ability of both Astle and Mitchell to bowl a few overs if needed

Yep, and my team actually has specialists ( even though Paddles and Vettori can certainly bat )

No room for part rounders in the final XI but guys who can turn the arm over when needed.