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  • allblackfan2A Offline
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    @booboo said in All Blacks 2026:

    @allblackfan2 said in All Blacks 2026:

    @hikastags said in All Blacks 2026:

    Head Coach: Jamie Joseph
    Attack Coach: Tony Brown
    Defence Coach: Dave Rennie
    Forwards/Set Piece: Vern Cotter
    Technical/Game Management Advisor: Joe Schmidt

    That's the ideal set-up IMO. Will probably need a skills & scrum coach also.

    And a good mental skills coach seeing how fragile some are.

    Yes, re the mental skills coaching - a balance of individual mental skills development and as a team - potentially a two person approach e.g., someone with proven expertise in strengthening individual athletes and the other from a military background e.g., Navy Seals with a couple of Hell Week camps included in prep for the RWC.

    Not sure if that's shit works.

    Think Camp Staaldraad.

    Interesting, never heard of that event before though had heard about boot camps for juvenile offenders don't work. The SA camp sounded bizarre and from the summary the activities/approach weren't in line with standard military training.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    @Frank said in All Blacks 2026:

    Hard to compel someone to work for you when they don't truly want to be there.

    @Frank said in All Blacks 2026:

    Hard to compel someone to work for you when they don't truly want to be there.

    Not about making him work for them just not working for someone else through to the WC taking away their IP.

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    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:

    So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?

    If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.

    I don't think you get two goes. He's as cooked as Mitch, IMO. If he's going to win two RWCs, they'll be two we don't win - unless he gets a go with our women.

    I said earlier that I was going to write a review of Razor's season and that I had some harsh things to say - I've left it a bit late - I didn't really expect they'd sack him and plenty that I had in mind has been done to death - and I have no contacts in the trade to tell me snippets about who said what to whom. I'll look forward to reading someone's book in due course, because I like to hear first hand accounts that are covered by libel laws.

    But, three things from my own observations that might be of interest:

    1. Kirk's comment about trajectory absolutely resonated with me. I said earlier this season that I keep thinking we're about to turn the corner and it keeps not happening.

    We win three vs France and then the first against the Argies, seems like we're building momentum and then "boom" a loss. Beat South Africa at Eden Park and then, "BOOM, Wellington". A few more somewhat scratchy wins and then "Boom, Twickenham".

    Same deal in 2024.

    1. Superficially, 20 wins 7 losses isn't too bad in this day and age. Sadly, I think we'll be sacking a lot of coaches in future if that's unacceptable. The real problem was, in those 27 games there was never a command performance. There was never a game where we just blew someone off the park - even when we put 50+ on Wales we conceded 26.

    2. This one I don't know for sure, because it never became truly apparent, but it's been puzzling me.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/350322243/scott-robertson-coached-all-blacks-bring-new-style-play-table

    At the very start of their tenure, Leon says, "We ripped up the play book and started fresh. We looked around at a lot of rugby, we've all had projects and come together and we feel like we'[ve got a game that suits our players and the way we want to play the game at international level".

    So what exactly was this game plan?

    WhatI think it probably centred around was trying to play with a speed and intensity that other teams simply couldn't cope with. I recall Brian Lochore saying after we won the first RWC that they realised that they didn't have the players to overpower other teams, so they decided they needed to do it with speed and skill.

    A few of the selections make me think this was most probably the aim - and at times we'd play some very nice rugby for 15 minutes. But, then we'd fall back to looking frenetic and error ridden - balls dropped and possession turned over. Sadly we probably didn't have the players - or enough of them - for this to work.

    I guess that I can't pin down this gameplan with any great confidence is an indictment in itself.

    Overall - very disappointing. I had high hopes Razor could carry his Super rugby magic into international rugby. Professional sport is sometimes a cut-throat business, with few safety nets - and Razor has proven to be disposable.

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  • ShaquilleOatmealS Offline
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    Brown could have a clause in his contract allowing him to leave without issue and SA could still dig their heels in just to make sure there’s nothing they can do about it even if they can’t. Both things can be true.

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    replied to Chris B. last edited by sparky
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    @Chris-B Excellent post.

    The big problem for me was that we never saw an 80 minutes or even a 40 minutes under Robertson that looked like a convincing All Blacks Test performance.

    Who said what to whom and who hurt whose feelings aren't of interest to me. But the consistently poor performances by the All Blacks in 2024 and 2025 and the trajectory were deeply alarming.

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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Chris yeah, you'd have to think if there is a clause, it would be if he's offered the opportunity to be in the AB coaching setup, rather than specifically about JJ.

    Would you?

    He has turned down opportunities with others in the ABs.

    Making it one head coach really limits the potnetial for him to ask for a release. Especially as the previous head coach was contracted until the end of 2027.

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    @Chris yeah real interesting to see. Outside of a private group chat with a few close mates, this is the only place I'm sharing info. So It looks to me like we've got a few lurkers just copying info and then posting it elsewhere. Which is...frustrating.

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    @handa457 said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Chris yeah real interesting to see. Outside of a private group chat with a few close mates, this is the only place I'm sharing info. So It looks to me like we've got a few lurkers just copying info and then posting it elsewhere. Which is...frustrating.

    Yeah another one very frustrating.

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    @sparky not to mention how often we got over run in the 2nd spell, something that almost never happened from about 2007 to 2017, akin to Tiger at his peak, if he was in the last pair on a Sunday, odds are he was winning.

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    It became very rare to feel "safe", even when two tries up in the last 5 minutes.

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  • CyclopsC Offline
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    @Chris-B said in All Blacks 2026:

    I don't think you get two goes. He's as cooked as Mitch, IMO. If he's going to win two RWCs, they'll be two we don't win - unless he gets a go with our women.

    I've been thinking some more about this. There's really no precedent I can remember for a second crack. The closest is Smith and he came back as an assistant. I don't see that being a fit for Robertson, his strengths seem to fit with being the CEO style head coach more than being the technical guru behind the scenes.

    I think there are two key differences with Mitch/Deans though.

    Firstly, he hasn't lost a world cup. Yes every game matters when you're ABs coach, but world cups matter a little bit more. That what if is tantalising and maybe enough if Robertson goes somewhere new and finds his old success again.

    Secondly, at least from the outside, it doesn't feel like there are bridges being burned. Things just felt utterly toxic after 2003 (and even worse in 2007 after Deans missed out).

    It still feels like a massive longshot that he ever gets the gig again though.

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  • MN5M Online
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    @Nepia said in All Blacks 2026:

    So a little side discussion, who thinks this should be the end of Razor's AB career and who's willing to give him another shot?

    If he goes away, coaches some other teams successfully, maybe some lower tier teams, obviously outside of the Cantab bubble, then I'd be happy to see him given another shot in the future, he's still a young guy. For reference I've never wanted to see Mitchell anywhere near NZ rugby.

    How come ? strange guy, ended a couple of careers which NZ has never forgiven him for.....Not sure if all the behind the scenes chaos under Razor happened under his watch though ?

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    wrote last edited by
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    Another name is coming up under JJs coaching ticket Corey Jane.

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  • BonesB Offline
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    replied to Cyclops last edited by
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    @Cyclops a good dose of learnings over the next decade and I reckon he could be right back in the mix.

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    replied to Chris last edited by
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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2026:

    Another name is coming up under JJs coaching ticket Corey Jane.

    That's obviously my mates leaking it from our messenger chat where I suggested it. piston wristed gibbons.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2026:

    @taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Frank guess it depends how much of a challenge he wants too...I mean he's got a good gig in SA, in NZ, he would starting from scratch...

    SA do not want Brown to head to the WC with NZ with IP from his time with SA who would want that taken away to another team.

    SA are invincible. They don't need NZers. They're going to clone Rassie. And arguably they took our IP first...

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    replied to Bones last edited by
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    @Bones said in All Blacks 2026:

    @Chris said in All Blacks 2026:

    Another name is coming up under JJs coaching ticket Corey Jane.

    That's obviously my mates leaking it from our messenger chat where I suggested it. piston wristed gibbons.

    Hahaha defence coach and looking after the back three is what I am hearing, just another name in the mix.
    You just have incredible insight by the looks.

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    @Chris said in All Blacks 2026:

    Another name is coming up under JJs coaching ticket Corey Jane.

    nice, they worked together with All Blacks XV

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    Regardless of what lies ahead in future for Razor - the added benefit of experience overseas is he will expand his coaching network/tree.

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    I'm missing some of the whispers, is Tony Brown being chased for Joseph only or for combining with other coaches?

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