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RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina

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  • NepiaN Nepia

    Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

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    @Nepia said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

    Can I ask, without having to read back through the thread, why we're going 6/2? We're not Saffas.

    We've had a 6/2 earlier this year

    It's just speculation. It might be an option to manage the workload of the pack. If things are going well we can get more of our elderly forwards off. It's only a 6 day turnaround and they had a huge workrate on the weekend

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    • sparkyS sparky

      @Nepia

      Two reasons for me:

      1. Maintains forwards dominance for 80 minutes.

      2. Means one fewer forward has to play the 80 minutes a week out from a probable final.

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      @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

      @Nepia

      Two reasons for me:

      1. Maintains forwards dominance for 80 minutes.

      2. Means one fewer forward has to play the 80 minutes a week out from a probable final.

      Those seem silly reasons to me. We maintained forward dominance for 84 minutes against a superior pack this week. Just throw Ta$man Jesus in there if we want to rest players.

      Also, you claim above you want as much attacking threat out wide as possible, but a 6/2 heavily reduces that if we have some ill timed injuries or poor form on the day.

      Anyway, that's just my thoughts on the matter.

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      • frugbyF frugby

        @nzzp said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        @frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        If it is one score, wouldn't be stunned to see Smith go the 80 again.

        I would

        He did 70, with a 20 (25?) min break in the middle. I'm sure they are tracking speed, time to ruck etc - if he started to fall off he'd be off. It's smart play... and if that happened, Christie would have been who the Coach's prefer (am NOT saying I agree with it, but also not seeing what they see in training).

        Sure, but if it is tight and the adrenaline is pumping in a World Cup SF, not sure Smith will tire. He is up there with Beauden is one of our fittest players, and his pass doesn't tend to drop off either. Christie is very much a break glass in case of emergency... the bigger issue is probably the fact they don't think Christie or Weber are close enough to Smith in ability, and there wasn't enough time to get Roigard up to speed.

        I still wonder whether they should have been almost blind, and shown faith with Fakatava, with the reasoning being he has the 1,2 punch with Smith already, was in the environment last year, and would have been earlier had it not been for injury. In truth, there was never time to get Roigard up to speed, because we only had one proper test (SA) before picking the RWC squad. If it wasn't Fakatava, it probably should have been Weber.

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        @frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

        Sure, but if it is tight and the adrenaline is pumping in a World Cup SF, not sure Smith will tire.

        Will a week be long enough to recover for a poss. Final in that case?

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          Barring injury, I suspect Foster picks the exact same side other than Telea in for LF

          I'd prefer Roigard, but other than that, I'm agreement with him.

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          • M Machpants

            @Windows97 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

            My fear is that we've played our final against Ireland and haven't left anything in the tank for the rest of the RWC.

            As irrational or rational that fear is.

            It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA. But I think Arg aren't as good as england were then, and certainly did not have the laser focus that Eddie put on beatings ABs above actually winning the cup. So I think we'll win. But it will be tough

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            @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

            It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

            I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

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            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

              @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

              It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

              I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

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              @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

              @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

              It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

              I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

              You'd hope so, especially after all the talk of the Ire game being the final

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              • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

                @Kiwiwomble France crashing our really took away my emotional fallback option.

                We're the only thing standing in the way of the forces of darkness

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                @mariner4life Yeah, our greatest rivals winning. Fuck that. The team I take beating with a little soupcon of extra pleasure

                But seriously, If we get to the final, play our socks off and the Bokke beat us then I'll grudgingly accept it considering the journey we've been on in recent years. Sure, Rassie's a cockwomble but they are a bloody good team, led by a class bloke with minimal whinging.

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                • BerniesCornerB BerniesCorner

                  @foobaNZ said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                  @canefan agree. However I think he will pick Roigard lol. Justify his horses for courses call.

                  Well I hope he does and I think I might spend the next 4 days solidifying this view.
                  Come on Foz you got this.

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                  @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                  Come on Foz you got this.

                  Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                  • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                    @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                    Come on Foz you got this.

                    Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                    @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                    @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                    Come on Foz you got this.

                    Keep saying that. Worked last time.

                    Kinda scared not to.

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                    • voodooV voodoo

                      Barring injury, I suspect Foster picks the exact same side other than Telea in for LF

                      I'd prefer Roigard, but other than that, I'm agreement with him.

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                      @voodoo I'd maybe swap BR and SW about, add Telea and that's about it.

                      But bench probably more important this week, I know we shouldn't be getting ahead of ourselves, but if we do get to the final, we will need.some gas.

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                      • MN5M MN5

                        @Canes4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                        Roigard, DMac and Blackadder need to be involved. The question is who do we rest?

                        Maybe keep Frizzell on ice, do we protect A Smith and does BB come off the pine?

                        My team would be:

                        1. De Groot
                        2. Taylor
                        3. Lomax
                        4. Barrett
                        5. Whitelock (keep Rettalick fresher for the final by bringing him off the pine)
                        6. Blackadder (keep Frizzell fresh for the final)
                        7. Cane
                        8. Savea
                        9. Smith
                        10. Mo’unga
                        11. Fainganuku
                        12. Barrett
                        13. Ioane
                        14. Jordan
                        15. DMac (Beaudy off the pine)
                        16. Coles
                        17. Williams
                        18. Newell
                        19. Rettalick
                        20. Papali’i
                        21. Roigard
                        22. Barrett
                        23. Leinert-Brown

                        Christ, not this shit again.

                        The ABs managed to win a massive game without him. I for one would be pissed off if they shoehorn him in at anyones expense.

                        Save this claptrap for when Cane has retired.

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                        @MN5

                        I can’t believe that with all of the times we have been tripped up by a less favoured side, we still have people saying we should test players for the final.

                        Have we learned nothing?😂

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                        • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                          @BerniesCorner said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                          Come on Foz you got this.

                          Keep saying that. Worked last time.

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                          @Victor-Meldrew

                          Verging into broken clock territory with that one!

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                            @MN5

                            I can’t believe that with all of the times we have been tripped up by a less favoured side, we still have people saying we should test players for the final.

                            Have we learned nothing?😂

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                            @DaGrubster said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                            @MN5

                            I can’t believe that with all of the times we have been tripped up by a less favoured side, we still have people saying we should test players for the final.

                            Have we learned nothing?😂

                            Yeah but apparently Ethan Blackadder can walk into the team whenever he feels like it according to some on here.

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                              I still remember us having to tough it out against the Argies in 2011. Piri had to bail us out that day

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                                @MN5

                                I can’t believe that with all of the times we have been tripped up by a less favoured side, we still have people saying we should test players for the final.

                                Have we learned nothing?😂

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                                @DaGrubster

                                I think the issue is more about how we manage the A team workload so they are in the best shape for a possible final - particularly Smith - rather than testing players for the final.

                                Can't see the XV changing much, but there may be a few bench changes

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                                • canefanC canefan

                                  I still remember us having to tough it out against the Argies in 2011. Piri had to bail us out that day

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                                  @canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                  I still remember us having to tough it out against the Argies in 2011. Piri had to bail us out that day

                                  And in 2015 in the first group game.
                                  McGod and Snake got yellow cards. Argentina led for much of the game. ABs won but it wasn’t plain sailing.

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                                  • sparkyS sparky

                                    @canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    I still remember us having to tough it out against the Argies in 2011. Piri had to bail us out that day

                                    And in 2015 in the first group game.
                                    McGod and Snake got yellow cards. Argentina led for much of the game. ABs won but it wasn’t plain sailing.

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                                    @sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    @canefan said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                    I still remember us having to tough it out against the Argies in 2011. Piri had to bail us out that day

                                    And in 2015 in the first group game.
                                    McGod and Snake got yellow cards. Argentina led for much of the game. But ABs won but it wasn’t plain sailing.

                                    Definite banana skin game

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                                      Thank you JB , thank you.
                                      More stress, more fun.
                                      2 more weeks Sir Foz

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                                      • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                                        @Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                        It'll be very hard to get back up against Arg see last cup vs England, then eng vs SA.

                                        I think the fact that many of the players and some of the coaching staff have been there before will maybe help. Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

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                                        @Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:

                                        Seems to be a lot of messaging coming out they are aware of falling off and need to get themselves up again straight after an epic win.

                                        I head Dalton Papalii' saying at the end, something to the effect of - We get one more week boys, one more week."

                                        It is drummed into them

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                                          Beaudie to centre
                                          Vaa’i to blindside
                                          Be up at halftime
                                          Mo’unga to throw long cut out passes
                                          And no worries if our reserve halfback and loose forward have deer in the headlight moments.

                                          Sweet as cuz

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