RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
Correct, those were the Cornish/British that fled the Anglo-Saxons to France, not the other way around. That's why it was called Brittany/Breton, they're British
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
Their metal reserves meant that they traded with Mediterranean countries as far back as first millenium!
@pakman said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
Their metal reserves meant that they traded with Mediterranean countries as far back as first millenium!
Yup you need tin for bronze, so very important in Mediterranean trading for millennia
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Think we'll win
Think it will be close as we'll be flat after today, and we'll labour through it. Argentina will be more energetic
@mariner4life said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Think we'll win
Think it will be close as we'll be flat after today, and we'll labour through it. Argentina will be more energetic
That classic come down. Happened so often to so many teams.
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@Victor-Meldrew Barbary pirates?
@stodders said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew Barbary pirates?
Yep. Up until the mid-1600's
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So I’ve got tickets for this! Taking my 11 year old daughter to her first AB rugby match. And most definitely not showing the wife the credit card bill.
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
So I’ve got tickets for this! Taking my 11 year old daughter to her first AB rugby match. And most definitely not showing the wife the credit card bill.
25 upvotea (to date).
Never seen the like.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@voodoo no way it should be that wide
Agree!
We should definitely be underdogs again...
@voodoo said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@taniwharugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@voodoo no way it should be that wide
Agree!
We should definitely be underdogs again...
I liked it when we were underdogs.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
Correct, those were the Cornish/British that fled the Anglo-Saxons to France, not the other way around. That's why it was called Brittany/Breton, they're British
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
I don't get that one, the Cornish were is brain before the French (Norman's) , and Vikings, and in fact the Romans
Kenewek (Cornish) is almost identical to Breton and way closer to other Celtic languages like Welsh. Lots of DNA analysis shows a really high level of DNA similarity. Loads of interesting stuff being discovered as Cornish culture and language revives.
Correct, those were the Cornish/British that fled the Anglo-Saxons to France, not the other way around. That's why it was called Brittany/Breton, they're British
We are getting way off-topic, but there's been a lot of migration back and forth for centuries - big influx into Cornwall in the 1400-1600 period. Plenty of French influence around Looe/Bodmin if you look - place names, architecture etc. Lots of Bryton's in Cornwall - means Breton.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
So I’ve got tickets for this! Taking my 11 year old daughter to her first AB rugby match. And most definitely not showing the wife the credit card bill.
25 upvotea (to date).
Never seen the like.
@booboo said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Billy-Tell said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
So I’ve got tickets for this! Taking my 11 year old daughter to her first AB rugby match. And most definitely not showing the wife the credit card bill.
25 upvotea (to date).
Never seen the like.
It’s a lot of money to go the game. But my daughter will never forget it. Just like I haven’t ever forgotten my mum taking me out of school in 87 to watch NZ vs Fiji at Lancaster park. The next RWC is in Aussie then USA so I just though I’m not putting on a price on this, we’re going! Especially as I could not get tickets for the Irish game despite spending all week on the stupid RWC ticket site and doing a fire hydrant captcha for the umpteenth time to login.
As an aside we bumped into a kiwi in Paris living in Singapore who was taking his young son to the Irish game. You could see his son was really pumped for it. There are a few kiwis around Paris tbh and I hope we are numerous at stade de France on Friday. I’ll be giving it my all with the vocal support.
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@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
We've gotta have something to talk about until Sat
I'll finish off with this. It was thought the Cornish language "died" around 1800 and was "revived" around 1910 (actually it was reconstructed), but there's now some evidence that it continued to be spoken and written within some families as late as the 1940's.
Oh, and Rugby's always been big here - exported to Wales from Cornwall apparently.
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Geoblocked for me, but good to see the old heads stepping up. Is Colesly in the management group?
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It'll be such a funny feeling if we win the World Cup from here... it would be very un New Zealand of us... we always talk about other countries peaking to our level at World Cups, but it appears to be the opposite this time around. Will it change how we reflect on Foster? All things considered, think there are four top teams at this tournament (us included) so to win it will not be flook and will be rightly praised.
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Im starting to think losing to Argentina was all part of Fozzies master plan, he knew we would face them in a semi final and wanted the players to know Argentina can beat us, pure genius.
His masterplan seems to have been to lose badly to put the team under pressure, win a tough game, then cruise, Rinse and repeat.
Just hope he/we can break the cycle.
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Geoblocked for me, but good to see the old heads stepping up. Is Colesly in the management group?
@Victor-Meldrew unsure if he is.
There's nothing crueller in rugby than playing for third place at a Rugby World Cup.
Rather than draw a line under failure to win a semi-final, two teams' plans have to turn to playing for bronze, in a match that no side ever wants to play in.
For All Blacks veteran Dane Coles, doing so at this year's tournament in France is an outcome he's determined to avoid at all costs.
Dane Coles celebrates.
Dane Coles celebrates. Photo credit: Getty Images
With last weekend's victory over Ireland in Paris, the All Blacks have bought themselves another week at the World Cup, and will now face Argentina at the Stade de France on Saturday (NZ time) to book their spot to play for the Webb Ellis Cup.
But if there was any extra motivation needed, the All Blacks need look no further than what happened four years ago.
In eerily similar circumstances, Sir Steve Hansen's side put everything into a quarter-final win over Ireland, only to fall flat against England a week later, and end up facing Wales for third to finish their tournament.
This time around, though, the All Blacks assert those lessons have been learned. In his final days as an All Black, Coles knows the highs and lows of World Cups.
A winner in 2015, the 36-year-old also had to end his campaign with bronze in Japan.
And now, as he prepares for the end of his professional career altogether, Coles wants to sign off playing for New Zealand's fourth World Cup triumph.
"I don't want to be playing in a third/fourth game again, like we did in 2019," said Coles. "That's my motivation. It's a s**t week if I'm being brutally honest, playing for third and fourth, getting knocked out of a semi.
"Regardless of who you're playing, it doesn't matter. You're playing in the semi-final of a World Cup.
"If you don't turn up, you're in for a week that tests you mentally, physically and emotionally.
"I want to make sure I turn up. Wherever I am this week, regardless of playing the Pumas, [I'll] try to get another Monday.
"It's not [about] who the opposition is, it's about us getting to the ultimate goal of playing a World Cup final. All our energy is in this semi-final."
Given the nature of the shorter, six-day turnaround, the All Blacks' week becomes even more difficult.
Mentally, the team have to completely remove success against Ireland from their minds, and prepare for the challenge of Los Pumas.
And given the way the team peaked in the quarter-final four years ago, Coles says the All Blacks can't settle for anything other than improvement.
"We'll take a lot of confidence, but we have to go to another gear," he said. "We've all seen, the World Cups are very different, with the results over the weekend.
Dane Coles and Ardie Savea.
Dane Coles and Ardie Savea. Photo credit: Getty Images
"They're going to be a different beast. It wasn't that long ago that we lost to them in New Zealand for the first time.
"We know when they're in a good spot, and they turn up, they're a physical team. It's crucial we lift to another gear and go again."
Argentina's recent history against the All Blacks is nothing to be baulked at either.
In the Ian Foster era, Argentina defeated New Zealand for the first time in 2020 with a backs-to-the-wall win in Syndey.
Then, last year, Los Pumas went one better, and defeated the All Blacks on home soil in Christchurch, the test after Foster saved his job with victory away in Johannesburg.
As part of both All Blacks sides to have suffered those losses, Coles admits the fear of doing it again on the biggest stage is fuelling his need to win come Saturday.
"I've been in the team that lost to them in Aussie, lost to them in New Zealand," he said. "That caused the team a lot of hurt. I personally still have that fear.
'Fire in everyone's belly': All Blacks want more after toppling world No.1 Ireland
"That fear drives you. It's good to have that knowledge, let it energise you and get you to a place where you need to be."
All up, the All Blacks have played Argentina 36 times, winning 33 losing two and drawing one.
In World Cups, the two sides have met three times, with the All Blacks winning all three.
Join Newshub from 8am Saturday for live updates of the All Blacks v Argentina Rugby World Cup semi-final
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@antipodean said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants they can't do rehab in their current hotel?
Just breaks the normal routine, shit org but the French
@Machpants said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@antipodean said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Machpants they can't do rehab in their current hotel?
Just breaks the normal routine, shit org but the French
I think it's Cheik building up the narrative.
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It'll be such a funny feeling if we win the World Cup from here... it would be very un New Zealand of us... we always talk about other countries peaking to our level at World Cups, but it appears to be the opposite this time around. Will it change how we reflect on Foster? All things considered, think there are four top teams at this tournament (us included) so to win it will not be flook and will be rightly praised.
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
I'll certainly give due for a RWC triumph, if that happens. But it doesn't balance out the previous 4 years of turd like rugby, and stupid conservativity. For ex, it took a bloody series loss to Ireland before they changed their defensive system - something that has been pushed for here since we before he took over.
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It'll be such a funny feeling if we win the World Cup from here... it would be very un New Zealand of us... we always talk about other countries peaking to our level at World Cups, but it appears to be the opposite this time around. Will it change how we reflect on Foster? All things considered, think there are four top teams at this tournament (us included) so to win it will not be flook and will be rightly praised.
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Will it change how we reflect on Foster?
not for me, i dont view the RWC like some, his role in making watching the AB so much less enjoyable over the last four years isn't outweighed by winning it.
