RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina
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Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
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@stodders What those tables might show is that it's been quite a late decision to back the young props on the bench - Williams especially played a lot less minutes than Ofa, which you wouldn't expect if they'd been building Tamaiti to play in the play-offs.
Similarly, it looks to me that they've made a late decision to revert back to Christie.
@Chris-B said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@stodders What those tables might show is that it's been quite a late decision to back the young props on the bench - Williams especially played a lot less minutes than Ofa, which you wouldn't expect if they'd been building Tamaiti to play in the play-offs.
Similarly, it looks to me that they've made a late decision to revert back to Christie.
Don't let the Hawkes posters know, all that dry powder will be consumed before the game.
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Can we get Sam to be laser focused and pumped with that thousand yard stare of last week please.
@Jailbreak7 said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Can we get Sam to be laser focused and pumped with that thousand yard stare of last week please.
Save that until the final
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Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
@Tim said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
Grey and dry as I type
11:15am
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@Dodge Almost everyone forgets how good that 1995 England team were. They had an absolute superb forward pack.
Jack Rowell’s England won 22 out of 29 games. They won the 1995 Five Nations at an absolute canter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Five_Nations_Championship
Laurie Mains spotted a defence weakness in the England back three which Jonah Lomu dazzlingly exposed.
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Dodge Almost everyone forgets how good that 1995 England team were. They had an absolute superb forward pack.
Jack Rowell’s England won 22 out of 29 games. They won the 1995 Five Nations at an absolute canter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Five_Nations_Championship
Laurie Mains spotted a defence weakness in the England back three which Jonah Lomu dazzlingly exposed.
@sparky said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@Dodge Almost everyone forgets how good that 1995 England team were. They had an absolute superb forward pack.
Jack Rowell’s England won 22 out of 29 games. They won the 1995 Five Nations at an absolute canter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Five_Nations_Championship
Laurie Mains spotted a defence weakness in the England back three which Jonah Lomu dazzlingly exposed.
I thought Leprechauns were Irish
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@Tim said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
Grey and dry as I type
11:15am
@MiketheSnow Weather forecast for today and tomorrow at Stade de France.
Tonight - wet with a bit of wind, but not too cold (take your rain coat Mike)
Tomorrow - wet, with a fair bit of wind (3x), and a lot colder (6 degrees colder)
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Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
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From the minutes played to date, I was a little concerned that Ardie was going to be overused. He does have the most minutes in an attritional position.
But even still, it is only 5 hours of rugby in 6 weeks
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Why are they sticking with Christie? It seems odd.
@His-Bobness said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Why are they sticking with Christie? It seems odd.
Reason given is it's horses for courses and he's there for his D. Can only assume Schmidt and Foster ( and poss. Ryan) see something we don't.
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with at most 160mins of rugby in the Black jersey left im wondering if theyre just going to let smith run and they know there will be less questions about having left Christine on the bench than if the young gun Roigard wasn't used...let Roigard have his moment in the sun next year
Maybe the A team feel more comfortable with Christie and is experience?
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Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
@Tim said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Supposed to rain on Saturday night. I expect Argentina to commit heavily to the breakdown and try to turn the game into an arm wrestle. ABs by 12.
We're playing Friday ...
Kick off in just less than 9 hours ...
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Interesting discussion this. SA have proved their team isn't impacted by players moving O/S, so is it time for us to do it too? The NH club sides have definitely come on leaps and bounds so it's hard to argue players won't get good experience slotting in up there. Sure, more players will leave, but it will also provide more opportunities for new up and comers to make their way into Super Rugby. I was always against playing players who left to go o/s but it seems a bit outdated today.
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Interesting discussion this. SA have proved their team isn't impacted by players moving O/S, so is it time for us to do it too? The NH club sides have definitely come on leaps and bounds so it's hard to argue players won't get good experience slotting in up there. Sure, more players will leave, but it will also provide more opportunities for new up and comers to make their way into Super Rugby. I was always against playing players who left to go o/s but it seems a bit outdated today.
@LagerLout said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Interesting discussion this. SA have proved their team isn't impacted by players moving O/S, so is it time for us to do it too? The NH club sides have definitely come on leaps and bounds so it's hard to argue players won't get good experience slotting in up there. Sure, more players will leave, but it will also provide more opportunities for new up and comers to make their way into Super Rugby. I was always against playing players who left to go o/s but it seems a bit outdated today.
It may be a problem for Robertson, but it's a problem for NZR to fix.
Can't dump everything into the Head Coach's lap.
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Oh it's definitely NZR. If we can't pay more, and as a country we define ourselves through our top sportspeople, why doesn't the government embrace professional athletes by offering them tax breaks to stay in the country. The All Blacks are our most recognised International brand, by a country mile, and are responsible for a huge slug of revenue coming into the country. Of course it would never happen, but there's certainly governmental opportunities to support our stars, not just actions NZR could take. It's definitely not Razor's problem to deal with, it just speaks volumes of the outmoded thinking in NZR. A lot more could be done to help develop the grass roots game as is being doing throughout Europe at the moment. Just look at what TNZ have done, I'm sure they didn't want to take the Cup offshore, but with little incentive here and as a commercial entity they didn't have a lot of choice if they wanted to keep winning. I think we will continue to struggle if we don't embrace how the world has changed and keep pace with it.
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Anybody who wants to know why they aren't playing Roigard, go watch the game vs Uruguay with no pre-conceived bias. I am not saying I agree with the decision, but some of his distribution was a little untidy, and it has cost them.
They were absolutely planning on having him on the bench, it would be illogical to give him those two starts, plus the bench position against Italy (when the heat was on), if they were planning on Christie being on the bench. They would have given Christie a start vs Uruguay.
@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Anybody who wants to know why they aren't playing Roigard, go watch the game vs Uruguay with no pre-conceived bias. I am not saying I agree with the decision, but some of his distribution was a little untidy, and it has cost them.
They were absolutely planning on having him on the bench, it would be illogical to give him those two starts, plus the bench position against Italy (when the heat was on), if they were planning on Christie being on the bench. They would have given Christie a start vs Uruguay.
Agreed it wasn't a great start, but he grew into the game well. Better than Christie would've I dare say.
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@frugby said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Anybody who wants to know why they aren't playing Roigard, go watch the game vs Uruguay with no pre-conceived bias. I am not saying I agree with the decision, but some of his distribution was a little untidy, and it has cost them.
They were absolutely planning on having him on the bench, it would be illogical to give him those two starts, plus the bench position against Italy (when the heat was on), if they were planning on Christie being on the bench. They would have given Christie a start vs Uruguay.
Agreed it wasn't a great start, but he grew into the game well. Better than Christie would've I dare say.
@antipodean said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Agreed it wasn't a great start, but he grew into the game well. Better than Christie would've I dare say
That was the big plus for me. The way he managed his yips was impressive.
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Oh it's definitely NZR. If we can't pay more, and as a country we define ourselves through our top sportspeople, why doesn't the government embrace professional athletes by offering them tax breaks to stay in the country. The All Blacks are our most recognised International brand, by a country mile, and are responsible for a huge slug of revenue coming into the country. Of course it would never happen, but there's certainly governmental opportunities to support our stars, not just actions NZR could take. It's definitely not Razor's problem to deal with, it just speaks volumes of the outmoded thinking in NZR. A lot more could be done to help develop the grass roots game as is being doing throughout Europe at the moment. Just look at what TNZ have done, I'm sure they didn't want to take the Cup offshore, but with little incentive here and as a commercial entity they didn't have a lot of choice if they wanted to keep winning. I think we will continue to struggle if we don't embrace how the world has changed and keep pace with it.
@LagerLout Tax breaks is what the Ireland RFU use to retain their best players in the Irish provincial set up.
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@His-Bobness said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Why are they sticking with Christie? It seems odd.
Reason given is it's horses for courses and he's there for his D. Can only assume Schmidt and Foster ( and poss. Ryan) see something we don't.
@Victor-Meldrew said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
@His-Bobness said in RWC SF: All Blacks v Argentina:
Why are they sticking with Christie? It seems odd.
Reason given is it's horses for courses and he's there for his D. Can only assume Schmidt and Foster ( and poss. Ryan) see something we don't.
Matt the dinosaur may provide some insight here. I have a feeling it's got a lot to do with the young stallion and a mare.
