All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Seems that way, for now at least.
I too, prefer Tosi off the bench with either Newell or Lomax starting. Right now, Newell starts.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
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Good day at office.
One real gripe.
Why, why, oh why change out starting front row exactly at the point where we have to defend a 5m lineout and maul?
Ridiculous to ask bench fatties to trot on and immediately have to get everything right.
Did that against Boks in Wellington and was a game changer.
End of rant.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
If D Mac nailed his kicks it would have been a good score line.
6 points left out there.
Will forgive the first missed penalty.
Penalties alter the course of the match. Never count them unless they're after the siren
Ahhh did you watch the RWC final? They absolutely do.
Ahhh but you understand that if you kick the penalty that play restarts from halfway? And there is no saying what could have happened at that point in terms of "leaving points out there".
The opposition could recover the restart and score down the other end. Yes they could do the same from the 22m restart but it isn't the same course of action.
A conversion miss is definitely more likely to be "points left out there" because it doesn't alter what happens next.
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
A conversion miss is definitely more likely to be "points left out there" because it doesn't alter what happens next.
Even then, it can alter mindset. A 4 point lead Vs a 2 point lead can completely change how you feel, how the opposition feel and what you think your options are (unless you're Beauden Barrett, then you've only got 2 options regardless of the situation).
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Lets stick with Roigard/DMac combo for the EOYT.
QT captain.
Roigard to select the team and run the coaching
Roigard 10.
Fakatava to start.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Broken thumb I thought
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Good day at office.
One real gripe.
Why, why, oh why change out starting front row exactly at the point where we have to defend a 5m lineout and maul?
Ridiculous to ask bench fatties to trot on and immediately have to get everything right.
Did that against Boks in Wellington and was a game changer.
End of rant.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Good day at office.
One real gripe.
Why, why, oh why change out starting front row exactly at the point where we have to defend a 5m lineout and maul?
Ridiculous to ask bench fatties to trot on and immediately have to get everything right.
Did that against Boks in Wellington and was a game changer.
End of rant.
The substitutions (other than obviously for injured) are likely all predetermined. It wouldn’t matter how well or poorly someone was playing or what the game situation is - they’ve decided to substitute a player after 55 minutes so that’s what’s going to happen.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Broken thumb I thought
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Tosi is a must selection on the bench. He constantly made the hard yards. For me, Lomax starts or is not on the team sheet. Having ST, Bower, Tosi, PT and Sititi, all powerful carriers, was the main reason why the All Blacks were dominant during the last quarter. At this level, rugby is a big men game.
Is Lomax just not match fit or has he fallen away? It's hard seeing him surpass Newell now!
Broken thumb I thought
Having surgery, out for the rest of the season.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I’m starting to think that no matter what player puts on the jersey right now, we aren’t going to see their best because the coaching is just so god damn poor.
Absolute master stroke picking Tupaea at 13 though.
Did he play 13 the night he was Swained?
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I’m starting to think that no matter what player puts on the jersey right now, we aren’t going to see their best because the coaching is just so god damn poor.
Absolute master stroke picking Tupaea at 13 though.
Did he play 13 the night he was Swained?
Wore 23, replaced David Havili at 2nd 5/8.
https://stats.allblacks.com/match-centre/report/All-Blacks-Australia-15-September-2022
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Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku -
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this ame.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuThat all makes sense.
I like your midfield and this way we get all the good players on the field at once in their best positions. Again, possibly premature to base it on one game but if Tupaea can prove he's equally able at 12/13 it's bye bye ALB.
The issue at 10 is gravely concerning given the WC is two years away and it's fair to say BB and DM are not going to improve with age.
Thank GOD Mounga is coming back ( he said sarcastically ) no need to develop anyone else.
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Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester Faingaʻanuku@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
Revisionism. The backline functioned well against France for those first two tests. The bigger difference in the last two tests is having Roigard.
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Don’t read the Planet Rugby ratings. They very much disagree with views on here about Jordan and Savea
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Don’t read the Planet Rugby ratings. They very much disagree with views on here about Jordan and Savea
Most people just give those 2 high ratings because they feel like they have to give them high ratings to fit in with the crowd, regardless of how they play. Sheep.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
I don't know why our MF looked better than it has all season. But I'd like to see if DMac was part of the answer to that question
Not having a go at Proctor but QT asked questions of the Wallabies.
The five eighths passed to him more in first 20 than they did to Proctor in whole 80!
From my armchair view it just appears that QT runs a better angle, from deeper and with a bit of pace.
QT makes you earn your crust tackling him.
Yeah, he runs good hard direct lines, which helps when the ball gets static. His game looks suited for international rugby.
I’m not sure the classic 13 , ( Conrad , Bruce Robertson ) is going to be as successful in this era the way defences are up in your face and give you little room to operate , not saying he is in that class but proctor is probably more of that style , dangerous with space but we never saw it .
Quinns direct hard running straight back at the line or against the grain can cause them problems if they come up too quick which will give them something to think about , I think we should persevere with it .
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
DMac shades BB at 10.
Must stick with DMac on EOYT.I would beg to disagree - DMac is a very, very average intl 10 who is easily shut down. BB (field kicking aside) is a better option still, though it pains me to say it.
Our backline has looked the best it has all year the last 2 games.
Coincidentally the first games all year we haven't had Beauden at 10.
Dmac wasn't amazing tonight but it's night and day the performance we get out of our backs when he is playing as opposed to Beauden.
Yeah, I thought DMac had a pretty good game goal kicking aside, the backline appeared to function, his high kicks were contestable, and he made some good tackles on players bigger than him .... so I knew I'd come on the Fern this morning and there'd be complaints. :face_with_tears_of_joy:
Anyway, QT was bloody good at centre, JB had his best game since the early tests this year.
