All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Why should SFM have been red carded?
I believe that was Moodie
Who knew @NTA stood for Nisbo The Aussie
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Why should SFM have been red carded?
I believe that was Moodie
Who knew @NTA stood for Nisbo The Aussie
Even so, zero chance of Moodie getting a red card. Worst case scenario the knock down would have been a penalty (but I think the right verdict was reached).
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I am not in the CLW bandwagon. He was just okayish against France C. He is a midget for a Nr.8, as is Kirifi for an opensider. Both are very good at SR level but their lack of size is insurmountable against the likes of SA, England, Ireland or a full strength France.
@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
I am not in the CLW bandwagon. He was just okayish against France C. He is a midget for a Nr.8, as is Kirifi for an opensider. Both are very good at SR level but their lack of size is insurmountable against the likes of SA, England, Ireland or a full strength France.
He looked very regular sized in the flesh when I saw him vs France earlier this year. There's already enough guys of that ilk like Savea, Sititi, Kirifi and Lakai.
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I'm not really on the CLW bandwagon per se and agree that there are too many small guys.
On form I'd take Lio WIllie and Lakai over Sititi and Kirifi.
Of those four I think there is only room for one in the squad and its probably Lakai at the moment.
My top 6 would be:
Savea, Papali'i, Sotutu, Finau, Paker, and Lakai
Sititi needs to go back to SRP and regain some form. If Sotutu is out with shoulder surgery recovery I'd bring in Flanders who is the form NPC player at 8 and has also played very well at Super Level. I realise Lio Willie has been very good also but Flanders has been better and he offers more size. Flanders is closer to Sotutu in that he offers a very good lineout option.
Jacobson seems to be in Blackadder territory now. I thought he was the Chiefs best forward this year so he should be there but he's just too unreliable injury wise.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15 than a 10
Fixed
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Not so sure. Ioane was all class in defense and hustle on the Aussies when the All Blacks were turning the screws and mounting the pressure on them keeping them pinned in their own half.. Tupaea while great on attack allowed them easy metres out wide and at times in the first half hour it looked like they could rip us a new one like the Sprinkboks did. Defense and pressuring other teams into mistakes to turn over possession is just such a critical part of test rugby now and Reiko is the best exponent of this at centre in NZ. It is something we have been shit at all season until the final 20 of this game.
I personally would like to see Tupaea at 12 and Ioane at 13 and Jordie Barrett the only one who looks assured under the high ball at 15. Jordan to the wing and massive practise on catching high balls. I just can't see us ever beating the boks consistently with him at the back catching less than 50% of high balls.
- Roigard
- Anyone other than Beauden or Damien
- Leroy Carter/Caleb Clarke
- Quinn Tuaaea
- Reiko Ioane
- Will Jordan
- Jordie Barrett
reserve Hotham/Ratima
reserve. Mackenzie
reserve. Leicester FaingaʻanukuAgree with this.
Jordan just isnt nailing it as a test fullback. He takes so many poor options hes better suited to right wing where he has less tactical influence - especially with our 10 options also taking poor options.
100% and have been saying that for a while. Jordan is a great winger but not a great fullback.
Who is better at 15, and which winger would you drop?
At the risk of triggering you. BB is a better 15.
I've probably said this before, but if moving BB to 15 was the price for getting him out of 10, I'd take that: he can't screw the entire backline from fullback.
He also genuinely used to be a world class fullback (shit he may even still be) - he's never been a world class 10, and his play there has deteriorated badly. TBH I think his best play historically may well have been coming off the bench, and another calm experienced guy coming on late should have been the ideal use for him I would have thought - though I don't really think that now, because he hasn't been going well under pressure lately.So if Jordan goes to a wing and BB to fullback... Is it Clarke/Fainganuku or Carter getting dropped? None of them deserve it on performance I'd reckon?
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Or more accurately, watch out DMac
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Only for the games with big crowds though eh, Richie wouldn't lower himself to play unless there are sufficient numbers witnessing his magnificence.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Only for the games with big crowds though eh, Richie wouldn't lower himself to play unless there are sufficient numbers witnessing his magnificence.
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
Given the fact that no Barrett can ever be dropped........yes.
Once Richie comes back, watch out Beauden!
Only for the games with big crowds though eh, Richie wouldn't lower himself to play unless there are sufficient numbers witnessing his magnificence.
If that's a real quote, fucken hell
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It’s crap from Knowler.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
It’s crap from Knowler.
Yeah 100% Mounga happy to come back and play for Canterbury he knew that when the deal was made to come back.It was all mapped out.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
It’s crap from Knowler.
Yeah 100% Mounga happy to come back and play for Canterbury he knew that when the deal was made to come back.It was all mapped out.
Just another shit piece of journalism.@Chris said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
It’s crap from Knowler.
Yeah 100% Mounga happy to come back and play for Canterbury he knew that when the deal was made to come back.It was all mapped out.
Just another shit piece of journalism.Phew
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Classic 1 + 1 =3 stuff
Richie plays in Japan = big crowds
NPC rugby in NZ = sometimes near empty stadiumsJoin the two mutually exclusive facts together = Richie doesn’t want to play on front of empty stadiums.
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It’s crap from Knowler.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
It’s crap from Knowler.
Yeah I read that and thought it was a worse than sly attempt at character assassination. Might be true or false for all I know but felt like there was an agenda there.
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Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
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Reading through this thread now. Just a comment about Sititi and Lakai, and what is their best positions. When they played together in the 2022 NZ U20s Lakai was the no.8 and Sititi at 7 (Haig was the 6). Sititi's body shape has changed since then, so less suited to being an openside now. It would be good to have a 7 like McReight who constantly puts pressure on the opposition breakdown. Kirifi has found out that being able to do that at test level is much harder than in SR. Papalii isn't that great either, and more a cleaner on our ball than a disruptor.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe II:
@Bovidae Tavatavanawai into 7?
Well are there really any technical skills Ardie uses which Jim doesn't have? He's a stronger runner, a harder tackler, and as good on the turnover. No idea how he goes hitting rucks, but if that isn't part of the job description then I'd say all of the strengths you could argue he's better at...
