All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@stodders I’m definitely not anti-Scooter. But I would like to see him compete for his spot, not just be handed it because he’s the captain.
I thought he played pretty well and he's far from the biggest of our problems
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@stodders said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@KiwiMurph for Reece? ABs seem to want to play with one big winger at least (Ioane or Clarke when fit).
Rieko's size is adding very little these days. What are you really missing by switching?
In the short term I mean.
In the longer term yes as I suspect someone like Tangitau will come in as another winger with a bit of size and power.
ABs seem to want ALB as a bench option and that fails time and time again.....
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@stodders I’m definitely not anti-Scooter. But I would like to see him compete for his spot, not just be handed it because he’s the captain.
I thought he played pretty well and his far from from the biggest of our problems
He played ok. What concerns me is how the team is coming out of the shed after half time in yet another game. That was not the time to ease the foot off the throat, so the absolutely insipid, unfocused showing - remember they came back to within a try - is either on the coach/es for not resetting the team, or the captain for not driving that response on the field.
Admittedly, having now watched the Saffa v Aussie game, my criticism has softened a little…
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@kev said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Take the win, flush the dunny and move on.
Newell, Savea, Jordan and Sami T were the pick of the ABs.
Holland was good too. Taylor is reliable as ever.
Christie and ALB were awful.
Beauden Barrett is rocks and diamonds. Proctor is unconvincing. And neither of the wings set the world alight.
Anyway, nice to be Number 1 in the World again. Long may that continue!
We have some issues:
Why do we kick the ball away when you have a penalty advantage?
We clearly had the wood in the forwards but didn’t use it until the last 20.
We have to work on our on our aerial game. Someone has to go up. Someone.
Caleb Clarke is good in the air.
Maybe we need to bring in another fullback/wing hybrid who can catch high balls but is still be a attacking threat. Maybe Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens is an option otherwise try Reuben Love on the wing. Can't be worse than Reece and Ioane. The other option is to hire Ben Smith or Corey Jane as a specialist high ball coach.
We also need a big hard running 8. We are asking too much of Savea making him do this role as well. It should be Hoskin Sotutu but I guess given the coaches issues Simon Parker, is the only option, move Ardie back to 7.
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Hard to know what to make of that, was actually a decent win, but the Razor ABs never look in complete control like we thought they would. I think what may annoy me the most is how much pressure the team puts on itself, so many times players just pass to players in worse positions.
Proctor is copping the same criticism that RI used to get when he got no or crap ball and no chances to unleash his outsides. Go figure. Meanwhile RI had to go into the pack to do pick and goes to get his hands on the ball in any situation other than a hospital pass.
Reece had his best game in black for a while, took two good tries and cut his error rate down from usual. Still shouldn't be there.
Ah well, got the points to kick off the RC on the right foot.
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The level of analysis in the post game
Kirsty: "Sevu Reece is such a nice guy isn't he"
Justin Marshall: "Ardie played the entire French series at 7"
So Jacobson going down in warm ups and Ardie captaining test 3 vs France at 8 with Kirifi at 7 just never happened eh Justin?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
The level of analysis in the post game
Kirsty: "Sevu Reece is such a nice guy isn't he"
Justin Marshall: "Ardie played the entire French series at 7"
So Jacobson going down in warm ups and Ardie captaining test 3 vs France at 8 with Kirifi at 7 just never happened eh Justin?
The Breakdown crew are a waste of space
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@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It takes some effort to play in four All Blacks Test wins and never impose yourself on a game.
The problem is Rieko and ALB aren't the answer at centre either.
Well, we were promised the world once Rieko was moved out of centre, people finally got their wish, well, Proctor can stay for now, but I ain't impressed........
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Had to go out, so watching the final 15 minutes. After weathering the storm, it was pleasing to see us grind up their forwards at maul time and really give it to them with a couple of late pushover tries. Lots of work ons though, not least in selections. But I think that will be the last thing that changes. Razor reminds me of coach Red Beaulieu in the Waterboy. Enjoyed considerable success, but doesn't seem to have any new ideas of his own
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What the fuck was that? The likes of Christie and ALB need to never play in Black again . Too be honest the only Barrett that just about deserves his place is Jordy. Yep lets just kick the ball away over and over again. The only good thing about today is the Boks were also shit. The Argies were third rate and they pushed us. . No fucking flow and way to many errors. Robertson is not much better than Foster IMHO. The Aussies may win this year and it will be well deserved.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Fans voting for Ardie for MOTM on the Sky broadcast???? Are we fucking serious? Bro let in 2 tries and did fuck all else.
Well perhaps like you mate, they just got an opinion. It's no more correct or otherwise than yours. Don't get upset about it.
More a dig at the general public who can't see things like him leaking 2 tries, he genuinely didn't do a lot in this game.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I wouldn't mind seeing Love tried on the wing - he's good under the high ball, can kick and has good hands. Given the poor standard of our wings it could be a way to get him in the 23.
I didn’t mind the look of him at fb and Jordan on the wing , I’d like to see it again
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@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Fans voting for Ardie for MOTM on the Sky broadcast???? Are we fucking serious? Bro let in 2 tries and did fuck all else.
Well perhaps like you mate, they just got an opinion. It's no more correct or otherwise than yours. Don't get upset about it.
More a dig at the general public who can't see things like him leaking 2 tries, he genuinely didn't do a lot in this game.
Fair point you make too.
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@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@stodders I’m definitely not anti-Scooter. But I would like to see him compete for his spot, not just be handed it because he’s the captain.
Not defending scooter but it can be an issue with naming anyone as captain in reality, I see it as a positive our locking depth is putting pressure on him
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Some positives for me:
- The tight 5 was excellent again, we have strong depth in every position and have some emerging world class players. We will be in the game against any side in the world on account of them.
- Vaa'i was excellent at 6 again, I think we've found our long term option there now given our locking depth.
- Newell is really coming of age at this level, he was superb, man we have some good depth building in the props now.
- ST was a massive, massive positive. Our bench has been severely lacking of late and costing us games at times, him coming on and really making an impact like that was the winning of the match. Codie/ST one-two punch will cause teams a lot of problems if they both play like they did today.
- The try Jordan created is why he's so valuable at test level, he can just create points out of nothing to put us ahead even when we are struggling. Was a critical moment in the match. He was good at the back again overall.
- Our wings are copping it a bit but I thought both were good. Both made a couple of silly errors, but Reece took his chances well and Rieko went looking for work to take a load off the pack when play wasn't going his way, which was great to see.
Some negatives for me:
- As mentioned a lot, the backline didn't function well at all, timing seemed off all night. Looks like a coaching issue, probably over complicating things which is leading to indecision and poor timing. A lot of work to do as the backs really kept us under pressure despite a strong performance up front.
- Proctor is struggling to make the step up to test level, I think his confidence was knocked after his first test as he doesn't look like the player he was at the end of Super. 13 is a problem for us right now.
- Kirifi struggled to impose himself in any meaningful way. I see him as a bench option at best at test level, if we start him then we need a much bigger 8 but that'd mean dropping Ardie. Ardie back to 7 and a bigger 8 would help a lot.
- The selection of Christie was really stupid, any of the other guys would have done just as well (read: very badly) or likely a lot better. Wasted opportunity to bring a younger player into the squad.
- ALB is done at test level really. He either starts or shouldn't be in the 23, and he's not good enough to start. Feels like when he comes off the bench he tries too hard to make an impact, and instead makes stupid decisions that cost us.
- We really missed Roigard's kicking game. I started reading the reviews on Stuff and they gave Ratima an 8 and mentioned his good box kicking, but to my eye it was very poor, often only gaining 10 - 15m. Ratima was OK outside of that, but those kicks kept us under pressure. We have plenty of potential at 9, but Roigard is still a rookie and is suddenly the nailed on starter, and Ratima and Hotham have been rocks and diamonds. 9 is still a work in progress.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Some positives for me:
- The tight 5 was excellent again, we have strong depth in every position and have some emerging world class players. We will be in the game against any side in the world on account of them.
- Vaa'i was excellent at 6 again, I think we've found our long term option there now given our locking depth.
- Newell is really coming of age at this level, he was superb, man we have some good depth building in the props now.
- ST was a massive, massive positive. Our bench has been severely lacking of late and costing us games at times, him coming on and really making an impact like that was the winning of the match. Codie/ST one-two punch will cause teams a lot of problems if they both play like they did today.
- The try Jordan created is why he's so valuable at test level, he can just create points out of nothing to put us ahead even when we are struggling. Was a critical moment in the match. He was good at the back again overall.
- Our wings are copping it a bit but I thought both were good. Both made a couple of silly errors, but Reece took his chances well and Rieko went looking for work to take a load off the pack when play wasn't going his way, which was great to see.
Some negatives for me:
- As mentioned a lot, the backline didn't function well at all, timing seemed off all night. Looks like a coaching issue, probably over complicating things which is leading to indecision and poor timing. A lot of work to do as the backs really kept us under pressure despite a strong performance up front.
- Proctor is struggling to make the step up to test level, I think his confidence was knocked after his first test as he doesn't look like the player he was at the end of Super. 13 is a problem for us right now.
- Kirifi struggled to impose himself in any meaningful way. I see him as a bench option at best at test level, if we start him then we need a much bigger 8 but that'd mean dropping Ardie. Ardie back to 7 and a bigger 8 would help a lot.
- The selection of Christie was really stupid, any of the other guys would have done just as well (read: very badly) or likely a lot better. Wasted opportunity to bring a younger player into the squad.
- ALB is done at test level really. He either starts or shouldn't be in the 23, and he's not good enough to start. Feels like when he comes off the bench he tries too hard to make an impact, and instead makes stupid decisions that cost us.
- We really missed Roigard's kicking game. I started reading the reviews on Stuff and they gave Ratima an 8 and mentioned his good box kicking, but to my eye it was very poor, often only gaining 10 - 15m. Ratima was OK outside of that, but those kicks kept us under pressure. We have plenty of potential at 9, but Roigard is still a rookie and is suddenly the nailed on starter, and Ratima and Hotham have been rocks and diamonds. 9 is still a work in progress.
Don't agree with all of that but a post worthy of a like.
I think Ratima's kicking game gets unfairly attacked, he got us out of trouble often in this match, and in the finals of Super he was doing the same thing. Could he have a few metres more on his kicks? Sure, but I'd rather they go out, or are contestable.
so let’s just give Proctor at a minimum the rest of the year to prove his worth in the 13 jersey .
