All Blacks v Argentina I
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem. -
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back our development
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back out development
Yep agree with that.
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We need to try out Vaai 6, Savea 7, Sititi 8, Ratima , DMac
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I don't know what the source of the problem in our backline is. Holland always ran a very creative backline at the Canes.
Give me a B…..give me another B!!
Whaddya got??
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
I can't argue with that point it was better.
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I think these days BB should be on the bench. He can cover 10, 13, 15, wing and do a good job.
An absolute legend in his time and a great AB.
An eye for a gap combined with scintillating speed were his forte.
Controlling play from first five wasn't a strength.
DMac played well last year but hasn't been persisted with. When RM was in NZ I thought DMac still edged it for the premier NZ 10 position.
Currently we have an aging flyhalf whose best position wasn't 10 and RM returning in a years time and who is not clearly better than DMac -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Excellent post Mariner.
Just on this question, I feel it's because they've put him where he can play like he's been playing since he started. I just don't think he is bulky enough for lock. But the extra space at 6 suits him. I really don't think he's doing much different.
I'm intrigued to find out more about Parker, but think the poor guy is being set up to not meet the hyped up expectations.
I also wouldn't mind seeing what Ah Kuoi can do at 6.
Gives us four decent sized tight-loose forwards - but their in the traffic jam at 6.
Agree re Kirifi. He's not been bad, and after conceding to myself that he deserves his place I think he can only play if Ardie is not. He's nearly grabbed a couple of turnovers, and smacked into people but with little effect. These are Tests not round-robin Super games. He's the backup 7.
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
I think his question may have been rhetorical...
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@booboo Given the paucity of options at no. 6 post-Kaino, having 4 options vying for no. 6 will be timely. Echoes of the prop crisis of 2022.
It also means people can move on from Frizell (who was good, but not great)
Now, if someone can send out the next missive to focus on flyhalves and wingers, the AB squad may be complete by WC 2027
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Clarke can be a genuine option and a star winger if he's firing on all cylinders
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
If I recall correctly didn't d-mac play really well against Ireland and then that was the last game he played?
Yes, and then was selected in the WR world xv at 10 for the year and made the most line break in world rugby in 2024.
Looks like BB is the 10 until Saint richie is back
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
Well there is an obvious reason mate, obviously the coaches thought BB was batter? I am sure everything they do has a reason.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
Well there is an obvious reason mate, obviously the coaches thought BB was batter? I am sure everything they do has a reason.
Clearly they think BB is better. But I would argue that they are wrong
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If you’re not good enough to start, or be given a shot to start, then you shouldn’t be in the squad.
Only exception is for young players showing future potential.
Thus, if not happy with Ratima or Christie, then Preston starts next week.
This is the All Blacks. Not a jnr or development squad.
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Interestingly, Uncle Laurie thinks Beaudy over DMac - though he doesn't really say why - other than that DMac is predictable in what he does. Which isn't what I'd have thought, but maybe if you watch him more closely than I have he is.
Laurie's got a decent maverick streak to him, though - but, he used to be worth listening to. Haven't seen him pop up for a decade.
Laurie Mains' 'gripe' with All Blacks' mismanagement of Beauden Barrett
The former NZ coach says the All Blacks have been paying the price since 2019 for the decision to remove Barrett from his strongest position.
