All Blacks 2026
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
You forget the Rugby Championship (Tri Nations): 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (with the All Blacks)
Beauden Barrett was named an All Blacks vice-captain in 2017, captained the ABs against the Barbarians for a win.Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
The Rugby Championship Wins: 7 (2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023)
Ardie Savea joined the All Blacks leadership in August 2021, when he was named captain for the Rugby Championship. Note we won that year.If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
Ardie Savea was captain of the All Blacks in the historic 100th Test match against the Springboks:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/572331/all-blacks-centurion-ardie-savea-wants-to-keep-bringing-the-pressure
"The All Blacks loose forward and vice captain produced another outstanding performance in Saturday night's 24-17 win over the Springboks, which kept the 31-year unbeaten streak at Eden Park alive and kept New Zealand at the top of the Rugby Championship standings.
After a tepid loss in Argentina and the Eden Park record on the line against the world champion Boks, the All Blacks were under an enormous amount of pressure to perform.
Savea secured a turnover penalty near the end of the match with the South African's attacking the All Blacks tryline. It was a crucial play at a crucial time and helped the hosts seal the seven point win."https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/ardie-savea
"Known for his leadership, Savea captained his First XV, the New Zealand Schools team, Wellington, and in 2021 became Hurricanes captain. He first led the All Blacks in a Test against Australia in Perth, becoming the 70th All Blacks Test captain, and also captained the side in the historic 100th Test against the Springboks in Townsville. In 2025 he moved to the Moana Pasifika Super Rugby team and led them to their most successful campaign to date."Again, no one denys Ardie puts up the occasional great performance. But he is a highlight real player, with an unsustainable leadership style that burns hot and bright for a few games and dies. He fucks the loose forward trio and doesn’t do the core roles of a 7 or 8. He’s part of the problem. Coming up with a turnover after 15mins of being invisible means not a lot I’m afraid.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
I'm not really a fan of BB as starter. And ambivalent about current Ardie. I think he got burnt out for Moana. And unbalances the trio. But they are senior ABs, command respect and have say in online leadership.
Ardie has LeBron James levels of influence over the AB camp as far as I can see.
How a new coach can work within that reality is gonna be a key determinant in their chances of being successful. Clearly the outgoing coaches didn't have even the first idea of how to manage this, build and maintain relationships etc.
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Again, no one denys Ardie puts up the occasional great performance. But he is a highlight real player, with an unsustainable leadership style that burns hot and bright for a few games and dies. He fucks the loose forward trio and doesn’t do the core roles of a 7 or 8. He’s part of the problem. Coming up with a turnover after 15mins of being invisible means not a lot I’m afraid.
I can't keep up with your twists and turns mate! Let's meet somewhere in the middle and say he may not be a good bet as a starting loose forward for the ABs in the future.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
Again, no one denys Ardie puts up the occasional great performance. But he is a highlight real player, with an unsustainable leadership style that burns hot and bright for a few games and dies. He fucks the loose forward trio and doesn’t do the core roles of a 7 or 8. He’s part of the problem. Coming up with a turnover after 15mins of being invisible means not a lot I’m afraid.
I can't keep up with your twists and turns mate! Let's meet somewhere in the middle and say he may not be a good bet as a starting loose forward for the ABs in the future.
I’m not trying to twist and turn so apologies if I am. I just see him (and Beuden) as part of the systemic rot in the ABs environment and he needs to go
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@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@jimmyb said in All Blacks 2026:
So only the last five mins of the RWC final in the greatest team of all time, scoring a try in garage time when the game was won. One super rugby title 10 years ago. Nothing since
You forget the Rugby Championship (Tri Nations): 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (with the All Blacks)
Beauden Barrett was named an All Blacks vice-captain in 2017, captained the ABs against the Barbarians for a win.Again, Savea, nothing since the start of his super rugby career. Not the leader, not the main player.
The Rugby Championship Wins: 7 (2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023)
Ardie Savea joined the All Blacks leadership in August 2021, when he was named captain for the Rugby Championship. Note we won that year.If anything, you’ve proved my point. No international success as leaders. Nothing in the past 3-4 years
Ardie Savea was captain of the All Blacks in the historic 100th Test match against the Springboks:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/572331/all-blacks-centurion-ardie-savea-wants-to-keep-bringing-the-pressure
"The All Blacks loose forward and vice captain produced another outstanding performance in Saturday night's 24-17 win over the Springboks, which kept the 31-year unbeaten streak at Eden Park alive and kept New Zealand at the top of the Rugby Championship standings.
After a tepid loss in Argentina and the Eden Park record on the line against the world champion Boks, the All Blacks were under an enormous amount of pressure to perform.
Savea secured a turnover penalty near the end of the match with the South African's attacking the All Blacks tryline. It was a crucial play at a crucial time and helped the hosts seal the seven point win."https://www.allblacks.com/playerprofiles/ardie-savea
"Known for his leadership, Savea captained his First XV, the New Zealand Schools team, Wellington, and in 2021 became Hurricanes captain. He first led the All Blacks in a Test against Australia in Perth, becoming the 70th All Blacks Test captain, and also captained the side in the historic 100th Test against the Springboks in Townsville. In 2025 he moved to the Moana Pasifika Super Rugby team and led them to their most successful campaign to date."Again, no one denys Ardie puts up the occasional great performance. But he is a highlight real player, with an unsustainable leadership style that burns hot and bright for a few games and dies. He fucks the loose forward trio and doesn’t do the core roles of a 7 or 8. He’s part of the problem. Coming up with a turnover after 15mins of being invisible means not a lot I’m afraid.
Yeah, 100%
Essentially, Ardie does not perform the core requirements of his role on a consistent basis but you have to work around that.
If I'm not mistaken Razor played him every minute of all 12 matches he played in this year which did not end up being a successful approach.I think how the new coach deals with Ardie is gonna be a key factor in determining the chances of success in the next two years. Razors group were clueless in that regard.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
No I am saying that Ardie should have been just as damning of Foster not saying "hes my coach and I have his back" if he was consistent and not one of the single biggest problems in the team culture himself.
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Maybe because Ardie wasn't ignored by the Head Coach when he had problems/concerns
Are you saying the All Blacks should not be about test results but making Ardie Savea feel listened to and important?
I'm saying a really shit coach treats his players like shit and creates a toxic culture where players simply give up trying - which is what we've seen this year.
Are you saying there are no example of coaches treating players like shit and keeping the culture on edge that have not produced wildly successful results?
If Razor had produced wildly successful results he would still be in a job
Where did I disagree with that? I am asking why Ardie Savea didn't want Ian Foster fired for producing equally dire results.
As far as things are known, Ardie’s and the other players’ feedback is not about the results but the overall environment and organisation.
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@westie_boy said in All Blacks 2026:
Is Tony Brown free to join as an assistant coach?
The added bonus of him coaching the AB’s is that it also takes him away from SA where he has been vital in there success.
I wonder if denying SA his talents will play any part in NZRs thinking?It’s a win win scenario for nz if they can get him , I mean they are the team to beat after all
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why wasn't he concerned in 2022 when Foster was dragging the team down to this level?
He was. Difference is Foster listened to his players and engaged with them. BB has spoken openly about it.
I spent the best part of a week in Tokyo RWC at same hotel as ABs. Very clear that Shag and Fossie were pally with vast bulk of players.
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Too many posts to go back over, unsure if already posted but this new page popped up on my SM, shameless
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I don't think much of that actually panned out:
Hansen is not gone, up to the incoming coach if he is wanted or not.
JJ is not in, they are going to go through an application/selection process.
Schmidt / Smith would be great, but only if they want to apply.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2026:
Full respect to David Kirk having the balls to make the tough call .
Mind you if you listen to what Kirk said, it was whole board made the call after 2-3 hour meeting. he said included Steve Lancaster who is acting CEO.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
I'm not really a fan of BB as starter.
That’s a very nice way of putting it. As a starter he rarely challenges the line, shovels ball sideways. Cross kicks incessantly especially under advantage which is such an all or nothing play. But has uncanny ball skills and acceleration - plays his best rugby in the broken field situations you more often get at the end of a game.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@westie_boy said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
It was fascinating to hear Paul mention Joseph, Brown and Rennie together as a team, as it had already been hinted at by someone in this thread I think.
The discussions from Kirk about giving freedom to choose / select assistants was welcome, we might have some movement towards NZRU being a professional organization now that Robinson is finally fucked right off.
Paul also mentioned another name for possible coach, Ian Foster….
Doubt he'd be interested after the way he was treated.
Doubt we'd be interested after the way his teams underperformed.
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@kev said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
I'm not really a fan of BB as starter.
That’s a very nice way of putting it. As a starter he rarely challenges the line, shovels ball sideways. Cross kicks incessantly especially under advantage which is such an all or nothing play. But has uncanny ball skills and acceleration - plays his best rugby in the broken field situations you more often get at the end of a game.
Used to. A long time ago.
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@kev said in All Blacks 2026:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
I'm not really a fan of BB as starter.
That’s a very nice way of putting it. As a starter he rarely challenges the line, shovels ball sideways. Cross kicks incessantly especially under advantage which is such an all or nothing play. But has uncanny ball skills and acceleration - plays his best rugby in the broken field situations you more often get at the end of a game.
... and at fullback, not 10.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2026:
Would probably make a good manager though.
Ironically, would seemingly be a great HR vibes guy.
