All Blacks 2026
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2026:
I think we are getting a touch of what Canterbury / Crusaders social media looks like right now.
I reckon.
Looks like they are beginning a SM counter-offensive.
But they got nuttin.(![https://i.imgflip.com/tan9f.jpg])
No one here is defending Scott Robertson his results were not good enough and for a team like the All Blacks he was rightly moved on and expectations should be of someone coming in and doing a better job.
There does appear to be plenty of revisionist defending Ian Fosters record as well as Ardie Savea and Beauden Barret and their inability to create a winning team environment.
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@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
There does appear to be plenty of revisionist defending Ian Fosters record as well as Ardie Savea and Beauden Barret and their inability to create a winning team environment.
I've been super consistent in thinking Foster should have gone after 2 years and that Razor should have had a crack. We'd be where we are now, but 4 years earlier.
Our board and management were not competent. Any time you put accountants and marketers at the front you wind up in a shit place eventually.
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@WillieTheWaiter said in All Blacks 2026:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2026:
Another thing about Razor, is he put himself forward as this 'culture coach' which is all well and good if things are going well, but with all the reports on here, he seemed to fail miserably at it and flog everyone off to either Scott Hansen or just ignore every issue (along with treating Dalton Papali'i like a dog).
It baffles me that he was seen as that guy who put culture first, and did the complete opposite to it.
was listening to talkback last night driving home from work and they read out a text from someone who was 'mates with a senior player' - said key concern from senior AB's was that Robertson was undermining and destroying the AB culture that had been built up over many years. Also there was something about his lack of integrity dealing with players.
Was chatting to the old man later and he was saying he remembered chatting to razor in Scotland many moons ago when he was one of the dirty dirtys boozed at the pub - and was saying how much he hated being on tour and how much he hated the environment.
I wonder if he has a very different view to how the environment / culture should be in his head that wildly differs from the majority
Yeah, maybe he prefers the way the Canterbury/Crusaders enviroment is run as opposed to the way the ABs enviroment is run and thought he could change that?
Either way, we all can't deny that whatever he did, he failed miserably at it.
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@Virgil said in All Blacks 2026:
Right, as suggested ive gone through this thread right to the beginning to get a timeline and break down the events that lead to yesterdays dramatic turn of events.
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Thread begins innocently November 26th by @nzzp with the fixtures for this year
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1101537
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Things start getting interesting November 27th with @Young-Hamiltons post re Scott Hansen is the one actually coaching the AB's, not Robertson
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1101798 -
December 3rd and the dreaded 'review' is first mentioned by @Frank
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1102832 -
December 7th its announced the Coaching set up is looking at making changes as posted by @Tim
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December 10th @Landers92 comments that Nick Evans is the new assistant
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December 13th the cracks behind the scenes start to show as posted by @Tim
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1104316
@canefan called it..
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1104339 "I can't see how this improves trust unless they bin the coaches"
Rumors and talk of Dalton Papalii turning down being selected for the team on last years NH tour are brought up.
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1104412
We need to fast forward a few weeks....
- 3 days ago @Landers92 posts some juicy goss
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107200
"Been pretty slack posting over the Christmas break but here’s what I’ve been told that I can post.
Beauden Barrett is heavily trusted by Razor and co to the point he is effectively running the trainings. Dmac has a say but by all accounts BB is the guy who has final say.
Yes your 10’s usually run your team runs etc, but from what I’m told BB is doing more than just that. Makes you wonder what the roles of these current coaches actually are.
There was also a high profile All Black that was out after the England game until 5am which broke curfew, he didn’t get dropped or punished which is a bit of a double standard as EDG was kept out of a couple games for the same thing on last years EOYT.
By all accounts, and I’m pointing out the obvious here, it’s pretty toxic in camp"-
Its mentioned the review is done and the final decision is on hold...not for very long in the end apparently
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Then @george33 posts a couple of interesting tidbits of info including news that Ardie is unlikely to play again under the current coaching team
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107216
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107257
- things get juicer later that day...
@george33 commenting hes heard Robertson is likely to walk followed by news Kirk is going to sack him
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107283
@george33 comments again
So have heard from another source is that Razor is gone or stepping away .
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107323- @MacDazzler with the understatement of the year award..
This thread has gotten very interesting.
Cue lots of shit posting and usual Fern chatter....
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Then 2 days ago
@george33 with more great sauce My source came back and said coaches will be told this but no official announcement until new coaches are signed on he's hearing Joseph and Brown .That's all he's hearing. How it plays out have to wait and see. -
A day later the NZ Herald gets into the act as shared by @Tim
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107596
@george33 posts that Robertson is gone
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1107694More online news sites publish stories all but confirming Scott Robertson is going to be sacked, somehow a news site in Ireland is first to pick this story up (Pay wall)
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/scott-robertson-to-depart-all-blacks-head-coach-role-as-player-power-forces-nzr-hand/a1191576889.htmlLocal sites start picking the story up
https://www.1news.co.nz/2026/01/15/scott-robertson-axed-as-all-blacks-coach/
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360924724/speculation-mounting-all-blacks-coach-scott-robertson-could-be-sacked@Chris updates with more sauce Ok so this what I have amongst all the rumours etc take it for what it is.
The Board is being presented the Review findings today.
Razor has not officially been sacked yet the Board has to vote on it.
Probably will happen as the Board normally goes with the recommendation's from the Review.
Razor has asked to present to the board before any final decisions are made.
From a good source but there is many different stories out there.
https://forum.silverfern.rugby/post/1108211- Then its confirmed
The fern
Just to add to this.
The Leon McDonald saga that I was initially called out for.
Also yesterday I updated the Nick Evans situation. Questions were asked but he has since interviewed for teams in Japan. I don’t know where things currently sit with that situation.
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What I want to see going forward is a bit more bombast from us and a bit more proactivity in squad selection.
And that includes us as a fanbase.....
The "Ruben Love isnt ready", "its too early for Fabian to be thrown in" kind of talk has to stop.
We went from being the great experimenters and innovators to being perpetually trapped in amber.
The youth of today are twerking in front of camera phones as soon as they can walk.
In a similar vein, youth rugby players are getting kissed on the dick as soon as they show any potential.
Long story short, this generation are not shrinking violets.
When you have a Tangitau or Dylan Pledger pulling up trees, harness that energy and throw him in.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:
On the Savea thing; I think his membership of the PI AB group had maybe more influence on the course of events in the last few days, than his membership of the senior player AB group
He would be the unquestioned leader of the PI group.
Some one here posted some inside info here that the PIs as a group were pissed off.
That was a red flag for me.
I'd say Savea and Mealamu had a serious convo this week.When I heard that the PIs as a group were pissed; I considered it all over for Razor.
It's one of the challenges that has been flagged up here - on the pitch Ardie didnt get it done in 2025 but off the pitch he is more powerful than ever heading into 2026.
I don't see how an incoming coach is gonna feel he can drop him if that is what is best for the team because if he loses Ardies support and buy in that is gonna undermine his support from the wider playing group. Ardie is possibly the most powerful AB player ever since he has influence throughout the squad but also Mealamus ear.
It's not something I would personally want to manage.
I thought I heard Kirk being asked about complaints or issues being raised by players directly. He mentioned having conversations with various players at different times, one was Ardie he said before the Scotland Test, didn’t he say Ardie told him he was really tired and had had a big work load? Maybe Ardie didn’t want to be picked every game and play 80mins every Test?
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We need to bring back the start of season turkey shoot against a minnow that we had in years gone by.
A. So we can cap and scrap some players. Your Pita Gus's, your Tuitavake's of the world.
B. So season starts with a win.
C. Selection combos can be trialled.3 test series against Ireland and England did Razor and Fozzie no good so early in their tenures.
Their squads were conservative due to the fear factor and they chased their tails ever since.
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@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@kidcalder said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 That will be the most interesting watch when the new coaching team is assembled what they do with those 2..
I think most likely both stay in the squad due to their experience etc but hopefully less game time (bench roles prefer) but put down to better player welfare/management.
Others will be given time in the saddle to develop depth and test match experience and hopefully they thrive and the others then begin to be phased out slowly but surely.
Thats how I see it - injuries always come into selections and if DMac and all the loosies fall over then you may need a safety net for big tests.
I see that more likely than say JJ gets the role and wants to wield his axe dropping what he doesn't want onto the scrap heap..
Its been done before though - Laurie with the Whettons etc but times have changedYeah.
In this era you could not do what Laurie Mains did. Frank Bunce (who considers Laurie his best coach) has said exactly that.
With the younger generations of millennials and Z you got to be a little more cautious in your approach. They don't respond to being dealt with abrasively.
> A part of the problems between the coaches and players seems to me to be a generational divide.
this was a key part of what Straws was helping with when he moved into the his role with AB's - didn't get 'advertised' was all about 'skills' (also surprising his take were the basic skill levels were very average)
I was talking to him once about player management post a bunch of stuff that had gone down with cycling nz and issues with how coaches interact with riders and asked his take - cant remember exactly what the answer was but something like used to be 80% coaching 20% 'man management'.. and that was totally reversed these days - total lack of resilience with younger players.
Guess we've seen that play out across pretty much every sport in nz over the last few years..
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Ok I got question for posters going forward this year. We have opinions on BB , Ardie etc being in team. If they are still picked by new coach, are you still going to get behind them, or are you perhaps going to admit that they should be there? Or are we smarter than even another AB coach? Remembering they pick players for how they want team to play, and with all the info on them, not from watching a bit on tv (with just a few angles) and occasional trip to a game. I will be interested to see responses from whatever players etc are picked.
purely depends on how they play, if they come out and, even with their weakness due to age largely, play more cohesively with the rest of the team then awesome, a coach was finally been able to work out how to use them....if theyre doing the same shit as weve seen under fozzie and razor i'll have to conclude theyre lose units that cant be coached and need to go
I say this because i just can not accept a new coach will want to try the same stuff again...we've seen this chaotic attack from anywhere, structure for only 2 phases then anything goes game plan from hansen when it worked (due to the cattle we had)....and then fozzie when it didnt work because our best cattle started to age ore retired....and now razor
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result
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@Unite said in All Blacks 2026:
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2026:
@mohikamo said in All Blacks 2026:
On the Savea thing; I think his membership of the PI AB group had maybe more influence on the course of events in the last few days, than his membership of the senior player AB group
He would be the unquestioned leader of the PI group.
Some one here posted some inside info here that the PIs as a group were pissed off.
That was a red flag for me.
I'd say Savea and Mealamu had a serious convo this week.When I heard that the PIs as a group were pissed; I considered it all over for Razor.
It's one of the challenges that has been flagged up here - on the pitch Ardie didnt get it done in 2025 but off the pitch he is more powerful than ever heading into 2026.
I don't see how an incoming coach is gonna feel he can drop him if that is what is best for the team because if he loses Ardies support and buy in that is gonna undermine his support from the wider playing group. Ardie is possibly the most powerful AB player ever since he has influence throughout the squad but also Mealamus ear.
It's not something I would personally want to manage.
I thought I heard Kirk being asked about complaints or issues being raised by players directly. He mentioned having conversations with various players at different times, one was Ardie he said before the Scotland Test, didn’t he say Ardie told him he was really tired and had had a big work load? Maybe Ardie didn’t want to be picked every game and play 80mins every Test?
Ardie burnt a lot of matches in Super carrying his team - didn't see that form in the AB's.. passion not the same under razor?
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I actually just remembered something that Goldie Wilson said on Breakdown. He hopes we go back to traditional All Black rugby, as we have drifted away from it.
Anyway, I just waiting to see who get's the gig now. I am a JJ fan, and had wanted him for sometime , just a feeling I have, no great knowledge or anything. And as much as anything , if he gets it who will he get in his group, -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
I actually just remembered something that Goldie Wilson said on Breakdown. He hopes we go back to traditional All Black rugby, as we have drifted away from it.
Anyway, I just waiting to see who get's the gig now. I am a JJ fan, and had wanted him for sometime , just a feeling I have, no great knowledge or anything. And as much as anything , if he gets it who will he get in his group,Is it fair to say Jamie Joseph was a bit of a grub as a player?
Remember a bit of biff from him against the English, not that I'll hold that against him.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
Ok I got question for posters going forward this year. We have opinions on BB , Ardie etc being in team. If they are still picked by new coach, are you still going to get behind them, or are you perhaps going to admit that they should be there? Or are we smarter than even another AB coach? Remembering they pick players for how they want team to play, and with all the info on them, not from watching a bit on tv (with just a few angles) and occasional trip to a game. I will be interested to see responses from whatever players etc are picked.
purely depends on how they play, if they come out and, even with their weakness due to age largely, play more cohesively with the rest of the team then awesome, a coach was finally been able to work out how to use them....if theyre doing the same shit as weve seen under fozzie and razor i'll have to conclude theyre lose units that cant be coached and need to go
I say this because i just can not accept a new coach will want to try the same stuff again...we've seen this chaotic attack from anywhere, structure for only 2 phases then anything goes game plan from hansen when it worked (due to the cattle we had)....and then fozzie when it didnt work because our best cattle started to age ore retired....and now razor
the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result
I think they need to ride pine or sit in the stands early on in the next coaches tenure, if only to serve as a line in the sand to them and others.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2026:
Yep, and you have to wonder whether player loyalty to Foster meant there was a bit of angst at him being treated badly, which easily translates into anti-Robertson feeling when things aren't going well. Combine that with factions within the team and shit can go south quick.
Yep. Foster def. to blame for Robertson's departure.......
Yup that is too long a bow to draw...
I actually thought Vic was being funny....
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2026:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2026:
I actually just remembered something that Goldie Wilson said on Breakdown. He hopes we go back to traditional All Black rugby, as we have drifted away from it.
Anyway, I just waiting to see who get's the gig now. I am a JJ fan, and had wanted him for sometime , just a feeling I have, no great knowledge or anything. And as much as anything , if he gets it who will he get in his group,Is it fair to say Jamie Joseph was a bit of a grub as a player?
Remember a bit of biff from him against the English, not that I'll hold that against him.
He was a grub as I recall
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2026:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2026:
@tubbyj said in All Blacks 2026:
Why wasn't he concerned in 2022 when Foster was dragging the team down to this level?
He was. Difference is Foster listened to his players and engaged with them. BB has spoken openly about it.
I spent the best part of a week in Tokyo RWC at same hotel as ABs. Very clear that Shag and Fossie were pally with vast bulk of players.
this was one of the big issues Razor had with Leon - thought he was too close to the players
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My expectations for the next coaching team are essentially the same as they were for Razor. Usher in a breath of fresh air in terms of selection. Get back to basics. Now the biggest job will be to mend fences and build unity as quickly as possible
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another random thought I just had - Razor decided he didn't need Gilbert Enoka
who was fulfilling that role within the team? Sounds like that would have been useful in this situation with so many player concerns - bit of a buffer between players and coaching staff - help actually articulate the issues etc
