All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.The likes of BBBT should def. be part of NZR's coaching development plans
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
Kirk is not that stupid to not have his ducks in a row before sacking Razor.
Done deal.Nope
Kirk is very big on Governance, and he has criticized previous selection processes.
He'll go out of his way to make sure it's done properly.
If only to show the rest of NZR how it should be done.
But may still end up where you said.It has ended up that way just going through the process so it is seen to be done.
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@pakman said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So apparently Fozzie and Hansen will apply for some roll.
This could get very interesting.A sausage roll, perhaps?
If so, things could get nasty.
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@Chris said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
t has ended up that way just going through the process so it is seen to be done.
I think there is more to it than that.
This aint just about the senior XV.
For example the recent appointment of the new BF HC doesn't look good at a superficial glance.
I'd be hoping that a thorough process was gone thru leading to that appointment. -
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm actually pleased NZR are talking to all and sundry and taking a broader look at skills and suitability. Makes a big change from simple succession and/or choosing someone on perceived charisma and PowerPoinf slides.
Wouldn't be surprised if they pick a head Coach to take us beyond 2027 but take a shorter-term view on assistants to fix short-term problems. Maybe that's the reason they're talking to people like Foster and Shag?
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention. Unless you're just making snide remarks while advocating for professional behaviour?
You don't think NZR picking Robertson on the basis he was incredibly successful with one team - the Crusaders - was the problem?
Minimal experience of how to handle failure, managing different team environments and absolutely zero experience of coaching at Test level - a masterclass in wishful thinking by NZR.
Thankfully, we seem to have moved on.
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris Hope Ryan is gone also.Lets just start again.
If it is Joseph he's going to need some good knowledge around him.
Most likely a new captain also.Ryan's experienced and, looking from the outside in, did a great job 2022/3. I'd stick with him if only to provide some continuity.
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@Victor-Meldrew somethkng changed with Ryan post Fozzie, was Ryan better with Schmidt/Fozzies influence or did Razor change things up.too much when he came on board, either way the "trajectory " of our forward play changed when the head coach did.
So Ryan has .the ability, but it "seems" he can hold grudges or at least gets blinded to a point by some things so maybe needs to.have a minimal role in selection...
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@taniwharugby yeah I'd prefer to lean towards a new direction, but if the board/HC are happy that post-Foster Ryan was him getting waylaid, then I'll be open to seeing if he can resurrect his reputation - it can't get much worse (which is also a reason to move on).
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I thought in general forwards went well, I wouldn't change Ryan for sake of it. Though saying that a freshen up not the worst. I think the likes of Evans would stay, out lineout was ok from what I saw.. Mind you Evans is really a skills coach, not front line one. This is what we should have, same if Jane comes in, use him for high ball stuff etc, don't need too much input.
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So apparently Fozzie and Hansen will apply for some roll.
This could get very interesting.Given their size I hope you mean role.
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@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
Ooh. Hang on, Jane as defence coach? Backs would be more more his thing?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew somethkng changed with Ryan post Fozzie, was Ryan better with Schmidt/Fozzies influence or did Razor change things up.too much when he came on board, either way the "trajectory " of our forward play changed when the head coach did.
So Ryan aside.the ability, but it "seems" he can hold grudges or at least gets blinded to a point by some things so maybe needs to.have a minimal role in selection...
If Ryan has a bias against blues as loosie contenders that might not be such a big problem as we only have Paps left. And I don't see why he'd be against Paps.
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@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
From what I understand there is a bit of a gentleman’s agreement between JJ and the Highlanders that IF he gets the job, he won’t raid the back room staff, which counts out David Kidwell.
Narrows the options a little bit.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
I'd prefer Jane to Ellison any day. Jane has a great rugby brain and players always rave about him.
