All Blacks - New Coach Selection
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@taniwharugby yeah I'd prefer to lean towards a new direction, but if the board/HC are happy that post-Foster Ryan was him getting waylaid, then I'll be open to seeing if he can resurrect his reputation - it can't get much worse (which is also a reason to move on).
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I thought in general forwards went well, I wouldn't change Ryan for sake of it. Though saying that a freshen up not the worst. I think the likes of Evans would stay, out lineout was ok from what I saw.. Mind you Evans is really a skills coach, not front line one. This is what we should have, same if Jane comes in, use him for high ball stuff etc, don't need too much input.
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@george33 said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So apparently Fozzie and Hansen will apply for some roll.
This could get very interesting.Given their size I hope you mean role.
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@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
JJ as head coach, Rennie as lead assistant (Attack), Ryan doing the forwards, Jane the likey defence coach.
Ooh. Hang on, Jane as defence coach? Backs would be more more his thing?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew somethkng changed with Ryan post Fozzie, was Ryan better with Schmidt/Fozzies influence or did Razor change things up.too much when he came on board, either way the "trajectory " of our forward play changed when the head coach did.
So Ryan aside.the ability, but it "seems" he can hold grudges or at least gets blinded to a point by some things so maybe needs to.have a minimal role in selection...
If Ryan has a bias against blues as loosie contenders that might not be such a big problem as we only have Paps left. And I don't see why he'd be against Paps.
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@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
Yes that's my unclear point. I know he's in charge of defence, I just can't remember that part of his performance in the ABs and I was really impressed by how he talked about skills.
From what I understand there is a bit of a gentleman’s agreement between JJ and the Highlanders that IF he gets the job, he won’t raid the back room staff, which counts out David Kidwell.
Narrows the options a little bit.
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@frugby said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@nostrildamus Jane runs the Hurricanes defence. Jamie rated him highly so firms as the likely option.
I can’t see him coming in purely as a specialist high ball coach… unless he takes the backs?
I'd prefer Jane to Ellison any day. Jane has a great rugby brain and players always rave about him.
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Tamati Ellison came in with a few wraps on him (though not as a head coach).
I suspect he’d make quite a good skills coach, focusing on the finer details, but maybe struggled with building a defensive pattern based off a chaotic attack.
I’d be interested in analysis on it, but suspect defensive efficiency has a correlation to the way you attack - and I’m not sure Lord Hansen and the Blunt Razor had those particularly aligned.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
If we're going to give him credit there though, then we've got to question taking a punt on Bell, ST becoming almost a non entity under him, Lomax and EdG falling well off the pace. I can't give him much credit for Holland, come on the guy was an AB mainstay in the making with all the tools, it definitely wasn't a punt.
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@game_film yeah a few small tweaks would get huge reward, but I guess thats the way with elite sport, the 1%.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Hardly a gamble on Holland, the kid has looked an AB for a few years.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Um, is that Ian 'injury is my best selector' Foster?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@taniwharugby I also like the way he's developed people like Vaa'i and took a gamble on Holland.
We don't know who was responsible for the odd non-selection policy but if that's a weak point, someone like JJ, Rennie should be able to sort it out like Foster did.
Um, is that Ian 'injury is my best selector' Foster?
and sickness (COVID) was his best coaching time.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@reprobate said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
I'm actually pleased NZR are talking to all and sundry and taking a broader look at skills and suitability. Makes a big change from simple succession and/or choosing someone on perceived charisma and PowerPoinf slides.
Wouldn't be surprised if they pick a head Coach to take us beyond 2027 but take a shorter-term view on assistants to fix short-term problems. Maybe that's the reason they're talking to people like Foster and Shag?
However, I think if you're going to list reasons Robertson was selected then his success with the Crusaders probably deserves a mention. Unless you're just making snide remarks while advocating for professional behaviour?
You don't think NZR picking Robertson on the basis he was incredibly successful with one team - the Crusaders - was the problem?
Minimal experience of how to handle failure, managing different team environments and absolutely zero experience of coaching at Test level - a masterclass in wishful thinking by NZR.
Thankfully, we seem to have moved on.
Your individual points have a degree of validity, but the whole thing is a strawman because I never tried to list the reasons Robertson shouldn't have been selected. If I were to, top of the list would be: 'hearing the nonsense that comes out of the fluffybunny's mouth'.
You listed powerpoint and perceived charisma as the reasons he was selected, neglecting to mention his coaching success - which seems like a sizeable (and spiteful and petty) oversight. You'll defend and sympathise with Foster on just about everything and try to slight Robertson at every opportunity - the difference in your attitude to the two is absolutely glaring.
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@mohikamo said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks - New Coach Selection:
So, a long list of 11 who met the criteria:
Joseph
Rennie
Schmidt
Foster
Hansen
Cotter
Deans
Mitchell
Smith
Gatland
Crowley
Pivac
HaigHave to shed two already and doubtless several people I've forgotten. I haven't considered people like Kirwan, Hammett, Henry, who surely aren't in any frames.
Having just watched the Brad Thorn padcast, I want him!
Think he ticks all the boxes, just.Yes. Appears to have all the qualities and then some. Definitely empathy, ability to communicate and kick your fucken arse if you play up.
Could just as easily coach Australia though, maybe in the other code if he so felt like it.
