All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@hikastags said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Rieko, ALB, Proctor.......all crap.
They're not that crap though, not really.
Rieko was good in the last WC, Proctor has had a great Super season, and ALB is a long-term AB - he may be past his best, but he's not actually a terrible footy player.
My point being that none of them are as bad as they are being made to look in our backline - which suggest the problem is not whoever plays at centre - and that means parachuting in Leicester solves fuck-all.I think one of the biggest issues the ABs have is not having a carrier in the midfield. That is one of our major competitive advantages over other countries we have (yet don’t utilise it).
Even though they’ve been mediocre recently… Rieko, ALB and Proctor would benefit massively from having a big, direct ball-carrier inside them.
Other teams don’t fear our midfield and will gladly run the blitz defense, as nobody in our midfield can break the defensive line or even the first tackle.
I thought Jordie was supposed to be the big carrier, or did he just seem that way compared to David Havili ?
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@Landers92 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
No leaks on social media as of yet. Perhaps those types of pages were spying on the fern
Clear as day. I don't know who (Duluth would know, but wouldn't be allowed to share), but there will be plenty of players, coaches and media who read on here.
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@hikastags said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Rieko, ALB, Proctor.......all crap.
They're not that crap though, not really.
Rieko was good in the last WC, Proctor has had a great Super season, and ALB is a long-term AB - he may be past his best, but he's not actually a terrible footy player.
My point being that none of them are as bad as they are being made to look in our backline - which suggest the problem is not whoever plays at centre - and that means parachuting in Leicester solves fuck-all.I think one of the biggest issues the ABs have is not having a carrier in the midfield. That is one of our major competitive advantages over other countries we have (yet don’t utilise it).
Even though they’ve been mediocre recently… Rieko, ALB and Proctor would benefit massively from having a big, direct ball-carrier inside them.
Other teams don’t fear our midfield and will gladly run the blitz defense, as nobody in our midfield can break the defensive line or even the first tackle.
Jordie was carrying hard when he first moved to 12.
If you look at stats for 24 September 2022 against the Wallabies:
Jordie Barrett
17 Carries
81 Metres
7 Defenders Beaten
9 PassesJordie can carry it over the gain line but that is not part of Robertson's game plan. Robertson's game plan is about getting it out to the wings with back door passing and the first five either static or running diagonal/sideways.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@hikastags said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Rieko, ALB, Proctor.......all crap.
They're not that crap though, not really.
Rieko was good in the last WC, Proctor has had a great Super season, and ALB is a long-term AB - he may be past his best, but he's not actually a terrible footy player.
My point being that none of them are as bad as they are being made to look in our backline - which suggest the problem is not whoever plays at centre - and that means parachuting in Leicester solves fuck-all.I think one of the biggest issues the ABs have is not having a carrier in the midfield. That is one of our major competitive advantages over other countries we have (yet don’t utilise it).
Even though they’ve been mediocre recently… Rieko, ALB and Proctor would benefit massively from having a big, direct ball-carrier inside them.
Other teams don’t fear our midfield and will gladly run the blitz defense, as nobody in our midfield can break the defensive line or even the first tackle.
Jordie was carrying hard when he first moved to 12.
If you look at stats for 24 September 2022 against the Wallabies:
Jordie Barrett
17 Carries
81 Metres
7 Defenders Beaten
9 PassesJordie can carry it over the gain line but that is not part of Robertson's game plan. Robertson's game plan is about getting it out to the wings with back door passing and the first five either static or running diagonal/sideways.
He threw his weight around at Leinster too.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Clear as day. I don't know who (Duluth would know, but wouldn't be allowed to share), but there will be plenty of players, coaches and media who read on here.
What I know is mostly word of mouth stuff
Always loads of journalists lurking. In recent years there's been SR players, a SR assistant coach and loads of family members posting. I'm sure there's plenty I don't know about
Going way way back my favourite example was when a current AB Lock was criticising the AB Hooker and saying he couldn't throw. Somebody corrected him about his lack of lineout knowledge "actually it's a lot more complicated than fans think.."
There was an OKish SR player a few years ago who kept suggesting himself as an AB bolter
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@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I thought Jordie was supposed to be the big carrier, or did he just seem that way compared to David Havili ?
He’s big. But too tall and skinny to be a primary ball-carrier. Look at how the Saffas launch themselves at him… They chop him down like nothing.
I’m quite firmly of the belief Jordie should be our 15 and a Tupaea / Timoci / Leicester should be at 12. A carrier at 12 gives hesitation to the blitz D and they can’t just fly up and nail the likes of Jordie.
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@hikastags said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Rieko, ALB, Proctor.......all crap.
They're not that crap though, not really.
Rieko was good in the last WC, Proctor has had a great Super season, and ALB is a long-term AB - he may be past his best, but he's not actually a terrible footy player.
My point being that none of them are as bad as they are being made to look in our backline - which suggest the problem is not whoever plays at centre - and that means parachuting in Leicester solves fuck-all.I think one of the biggest issues the ABs have is not having a carrier in the midfield. That is one of our major competitive advantages over other countries we have (yet don’t utilise it).
Even though they’ve been mediocre recently… Rieko, ALB and Proctor would benefit massively from having a big, direct ball-carrier inside them.
Other teams don’t fear our midfield and will gladly run the blitz defense, as nobody in our midfield can break the defensive line or even the first tackle.
Jordie was carrying hard when he first moved to 12.
If you look at stats for 24 September 2022 against the Wallabies:
Jordie Barrett
17 Carries
81 Metres
7 Defenders Beaten
9 PassesJordie can carry it over the gain line but that is not part of Robertson's game plan. Robertson's game plan is about getting it out to the wings with back door passing and the first five either static or running diagonal/sideways.
I agree, but Aussie was a piece of piss back then. He’s not doing that vs the elite teams (SA & France)
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Ardie captain.
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@SouthernMann if true, that is both good and bad...
Good that one of SB or Razor realises that SB isnt the right option, but bad cos of how Ardie seemed to drop his bundle last week like many others....
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1 E.De Groot
2. C.Taylor
3. T.Lomax
4. F. Holland
5. T. Vaa’i
6. S. Parker
7. A. Savea (capt)
8. W. Sititi
9. C.Roigard
10. B.Barrett
11. C.Clarke
12. J.Barrett
13. B.Proctor
14. L.Carter
15. W.Jordan- S.Taukei’aho
- T.Williams
- F.Newell
19 P.Tuipulotu - P.Lakai
- C.Ratima
- Q.Tupaea
- D.McKenzie
Unavailable:
S.Barrett (shoulder)
O.Norris (back)
E.Narawa (rib fracture)
T.Tavatavanawai (fractured radius) -
@Number-10 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
1 E.De Groot
2. C.Taylor
3. T.Lomax
4. F. Holland
5. T. Vaa’i
6. S. Parker
7. A. Savea (capt)
8. W. Sititi
9. C.Roigard
10. B.Barrett
11. C.Clarke
12. J.Barrett
13. B.Proctor
14. L.Carter
15. W.Jordan- S.Taukei’aho
- T.Williams
- F.Newell
19 P.Tuipulotu - P.Lakai
- C.Ratima
- Q.Tupaea
- D.McKenzie
Unavailable:
S.Barrett (shoulder)
O.Norris (back)
E.Narawa (rib fracture)
T.Tavatavanawai (fractured radius)This team is bang on.
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I'm caught in two minds here. On the one hand, I do think that is more or less the best available 23. On the other hand, I think only dropping DMac and Kirifi from that shambles feels too generous. Granted there is a couple back from injury, but I think you could make a reasonable argument that Lomax, Sititi, B Barrett, J Barrett, Proctor, Williams & Newell also could have paid the price.
Would have been a strong statement to leave out a few more, but the pressure Razor is under probably means he can't take a long-term shot like that.
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New captain. Is that because Barrett is injured or was he dropped?
Good to see Lakai replace Kirifi on the bench.
Clarke makes his return.
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Injured (shoulder apparently)
I really hope they have BB under strict instructions to attack the line more, wont hold my breath though.
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