All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
With Proctor, you lose that particular gambit. Provide him with terrible ball, he will just get turned over.
fuck i have just paid attention to this little piece of vision. It's used to give Proctor a whack but two Barrett's look infinitely worse.
Firstly BB compounds an error by chucking a pass to a guy now 15m behind the gain line, and more importantly, no one behind him. If he holds that then maybe Jordie secures the ball over him. Although JBarrett then stands there and watches Proctor get smoked and shows no urgency to go help.
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
@Mauss said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
colour me shocked
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
he’s connecting well with his outsides (whether it’s Ioane
Can you show us with one of your vids when this happened? I'm not discounting it, just can't remember RI getting any good connecting ball.
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Can you show us with one of your vids when this happened? I'm not discounting it, just can't remember RI getting any good connecting ball.
That was a bit unclear of me, perhaps. I was only referring to defensive connection, as in how they came up together and marked their targets (some other examples of the defensive connection between Proctor and Reece can be found in the 5th and 13th minute).
As far as attack was concerned, he threw a decent, if very basic pass to Reece for an early outside break in the first half, and he himself made a half-break with a slippery carry (I think early in the 2nd half?) but other than that, his attacking contribution was limited.
At the moment, Jordie is mainly used as the distributor in midfield, with Proctor acting more as a kind of Swiss Army knife-type support player.
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Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
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Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
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McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem. -
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back our development
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back our development
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back out development
Yep agree with that.
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We need to try out Vaai 6, Savea 7, Sititi 8, Ratima , DMac
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I don't know what the source of the problem in our backline is. Holland always ran a very creative backline at the Canes.
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I don't know what the source of the problem in our backline is. Holland always ran a very creative backline at the Canes.
Give me a B…..give me another B!!
Whaddya got??
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
I can't argue with that point it was better.
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I think these days BB should be on the bench. He can cover 10, 13, 15, wing and do a good job.
An absolute legend in his time and a great AB.
An eye for a gap combined with scintillating speed were his forte.
Controlling play from first five wasn't a strength.
DMac played well last year but hasn't been persisted with. When RM was in NZ I thought DMac still edged it for the premier NZ 10 position.
Currently we have an aging flyhalf whose best position wasn't 10 and RM returning in a years time and who is not clearly better than DMac -
Finally got to finish a replay. From what i read/heard i was expecting far worse.
I thought the first half was pretty bloody good, and the last quarter to take back momentum even better. I saw some real intent with linespeed, albeit disjointed at times which might come back to bite us.
The 6 lowest numbers on the team sheet were fucking excellent. Good set piece, robust around the track. They are setting a great platform that, even if it was a bit messy, we took advantage of. That was a lot of points in the first half of an away game.
Everything went completely to shit after half time and 12 months ago we probably lose that, but Sami and Patty T add so much off the bench, and the smart decision was made to ignore the big numbers and play tight. Crushed the last of the life out of them.Happy to see the skipper justify the faith in him with a big first half. Newell played maybe his best test? How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Out the back Will Jordan is a weapon.A few brickbats if i may.
The 7 and 8 selected is not working. Kirifi puts himself about but he isn't good enough to really impact the game on either side of the ball or at the breakdown. This was not a good Savea test. Do you even have shoulders fluffybunny? One try was him trying to scrag rather than putting in a shoulder. I saw one at fucking pillar where he did the same thing on a P&G and he let the guy make metres. THe less said about that enormous hole he left in midfield the better. Yeah he pumps his legs well hard and it looks cool, but you're playing #8, get harder.I need someone, anyone, to tell me why BB is an automatic selection at 10. How many absolutely shit house kicks did he put in, often under no fucking pressure whatsoever? The backline is completely dysfunctional, so it's not that either. DMac is not prefect, but at least his passing game puts guys in holes, or gives them opportunities to get outside blokes.
The complete mess outside of him i am willing to forgive because he is serving up shit week after week.
11, 13 and 14 are redundant with what ever we are doing at the moment.
I get Christy being on the bench because we are out of halfbacks, but, even as one of his biggest fans, ALB has surely done his dash.A good win that we made much harder on ourselves than it should have been because a few favoured sons are letting the side down.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Excellent post Mariner.
Just on this question, I feel it's because they've put him where he can play like he's been playing since he started. I just don't think he is bulky enough for lock. But the extra space at 6 suits him. I really don't think he's doing much different.
I'm intrigued to find out more about Parker, but think the poor guy is being set up to not meet the hyped up expectations.
I also wouldn't mind seeing what Ah Kuoi can do at 6.
Gives us four decent sized tight-loose forwards - but their in the traffic jam at 6.
Agree re Kirifi. He's not been bad, and after conceding to myself that he deserves his place I think he can only play if Ardie is not. He's nearly grabbed a couple of turnovers, and smacked into people but with little effect. These are Tests not round-robin Super games. He's the backup 7.
