All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back our development
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.Was he worse than BB though?
No he wasn't but he had chances not didn't get much of a chance last year.
BB has been shit and is a problem.Razor's reluctance to change Ardie or BB is holding back out development
Yep agree with that.
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We need to try out Vaai 6, Savea 7, Sititi 8, Ratima , DMac
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I don't know what the source of the problem in our backline is. Holland always ran a very creative backline at the Canes.
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I don't know what the source of the problem in our backline is. Holland always ran a very creative backline at the Canes.
Give me a B…..give me another B!!
Whaddya got??
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
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@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Why is there such an aversion to start DMac at 10. Last year he didn't get much of a chance. Hope he gets a chance soon
He started 10 tests last year he only did not start in the other 4.
He had plenty of chances.And the backline was much much better wirh DMaC at 10.
The ABs were also playing helter skelter rugby, at that point. When we would be shattered after 60 minutes.
not my point I was referring to the post he didn't get many chances last year.
Yeah i know. I was adding to that in those starts, the backline was much better than under Bb
I can't argue with that point it was better.
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I think these days BB should be on the bench. He can cover 10, 13, 15, wing and do a good job.
An absolute legend in his time and a great AB.
An eye for a gap combined with scintillating speed were his forte.
Controlling play from first five wasn't a strength.
DMac played well last year but hasn't been persisted with. When RM was in NZ I thought DMac still edged it for the premier NZ 10 position.
Currently we have an aging flyhalf whose best position wasn't 10 and RM returning in a years time and who is not clearly better than DMac -
Finally got to finish a replay. From what i read/heard i was expecting far worse.
I thought the first half was pretty bloody good, and the last quarter to take back momentum even better. I saw some real intent with linespeed, albeit disjointed at times which might come back to bite us.
The 6 lowest numbers on the team sheet were fucking excellent. Good set piece, robust around the track. They are setting a great platform that, even if it was a bit messy, we took advantage of. That was a lot of points in the first half of an away game.
Everything went completely to shit after half time and 12 months ago we probably lose that, but Sami and Patty T add so much off the bench, and the smart decision was made to ignore the big numbers and play tight. Crushed the last of the life out of them.Happy to see the skipper justify the faith in him with a big first half. Newell played maybe his best test? How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Out the back Will Jordan is a weapon.A few brickbats if i may.
The 7 and 8 selected is not working. Kirifi puts himself about but he isn't good enough to really impact the game on either side of the ball or at the breakdown. This was not a good Savea test. Do you even have shoulders fluffybunny? One try was him trying to scrag rather than putting in a shoulder. I saw one at fucking pillar where he did the same thing on a P&G and he let the guy make metres. THe less said about that enormous hole he left in midfield the better. Yeah he pumps his legs well hard and it looks cool, but you're playing #8, get harder.I need someone, anyone, to tell me why BB is an automatic selection at 10. How many absolutely shit house kicks did he put in, often under no fucking pressure whatsoever? The backline is completely dysfunctional, so it's not that either. DMac is not prefect, but at least his passing game puts guys in holes, or gives them opportunities to get outside blokes.
The complete mess outside of him i am willing to forgive because he is serving up shit week after week.
11, 13 and 14 are redundant with what ever we are doing at the moment.
I get Christy being on the bench because we are out of halfbacks, but, even as one of his biggest fans, ALB has surely done his dash.A good win that we made much harder on ourselves than it should have been because a few favoured sons are letting the side down.
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Excellent post Mariner.
Just on this question, I feel it's because they've put him where he can play like he's been playing since he started. I just don't think he is bulky enough for lock. But the extra space at 6 suits him. I really don't think he's doing much different.
I'm intrigued to find out more about Parker, but think the poor guy is being set up to not meet the hyped up expectations.
I also wouldn't mind seeing what Ah Kuoi can do at 6.
Gives us four decent sized tight-loose forwards - but their in the traffic jam at 6.
Agree re Kirifi. He's not been bad, and after conceding to myself that he deserves his place I think he can only play if Ardie is not. He's nearly grabbed a couple of turnovers, and smacked into people but with little effect. These are Tests not round-robin Super games. He's the backup 7.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
@Mauss said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Who is the loose forward with the shit first clean as well?
That was Ardie.
I think his question may have been rhetorical...
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
How did Vaai suddenly become our most mobile and busiest loose forward?
Excellent post Mariner.
Just on this question, I feel it's because they've put him where he can play like he's been playing since he started. I just don't think he is bulky enough for lock. But the extra space at 6 suits him. I really don't think he's doing much different.
I'm intrigued to find out more about Parker, but think the poor guy is being set up to not meet the hyped up expectations.
I also wouldn't mind seeing what Ah Kuoi can do at 6.
Gives us four decent sized tight-loose forwards - but their in the traffic jam at 6.
Agree re Kirifi. He's not been bad, and after conceding to myself that he deserves his place I think he can only play if Ardie is not. He's nearly grabbed a couple of turnovers, and smacked into people but with little effect. These are Tests not round-robin Super games. He's the backup 7.
@booboo Given the paucity of options at no. 6 post-Kaino, having 4 options vying for no. 6 will be timely. Echoes of the prop crisis of 2022.
It also means people can move on from Frizell (who was good, but not great)
Now, if someone can send out the next missive to focus on flyhalves and wingers, the AB squad may be complete by WC 2027
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Clarke can be a genuine option and a star winger if he's firing on all cylinders
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If I recall correctly didn't d-mac play really well against Ireland and then that was the last game he played?
@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
If I recall correctly didn't d-mac play really well against Ireland and then that was the last game he played?
Yes, and then was selected in the WR world xv at 10 for the year and made the most line break in world rugby in 2024.
Looks like BB is the 10 until Saint richie is back
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McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
Well there is an obvious reason mate, obviously the coaches thought BB was batter? I am sure everything they do has a reason.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
Well there is an obvious reason mate, obviously the coaches thought BB was batter? I am sure everything they do has a reason.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
McKenzie was given a good run of starts and, while things weren’t perfect, it seemed like he was just being given a rest - or Barrett was being given a game to keep up to speed - when they first made the switch. And then it was Barrett right till the end of the year for no obvious reason at all.
Well there is an obvious reason mate, obviously the coaches thought BB was batter? I am sure everything they do has a reason.
Clearly they think BB is better. But I would argue that they are wrong
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If you’re not good enough to start, or be given a shot to start, then you shouldn’t be in the squad.
Only exception is for young players showing future potential.
Thus, if not happy with Ratima or Christie, then Preston starts next week.
This is the All Blacks. Not a jnr or development squad.
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Interestingly, Uncle Laurie thinks Beaudy over DMac - though he doesn't really say why - other than that DMac is predictable in what he does. Which isn't what I'd have thought, but maybe if you watch him more closely than I have he is.
Laurie's got a decent maverick streak to him, though - but, he used to be worth listening to. Haven't seen him pop up for a decade.
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Interestingly, Uncle Laurie thinks Beaudy over DMac - though he doesn't really say why - other than that DMac is predictable in what he does. Which isn't what I'd have thought, but maybe if you watch him more closely than I have he is.
Laurie's got a decent maverick streak to him, though - but, he used to be worth listening to. Haven't seen him pop up for a decade.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Interestingly, Uncle Laurie thinks Beaudy over DMac - though he doesn't really say why - other than that DMac is predictable in what he does. Which isn't what I'd have thought, but maybe if you watch him more closely than I have he is.
Laurie's got a decent maverick streak to him, though - but, he used to be worth listening to. Haven't seen him pop up for a decade.
BB was WPOY in 2016/17....8 years ago...and the argument seems to be that he's somehow still more unpredictable...and that's somehow better...
Hopefully we don't hear from Laurie for another decade.
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He's 100% correct that shifting Beauden to 15 and Smith to 14 to accommodate Mo'unga when he was still a rookie was an incredibly poor decision, and I do agree that we've been unsettled at 10 ever since. His comments on DMac being more predictable with what he is going to do is interesting, the Saders did shut him down pretty easily in the final. Beauden probably is more difficult to shut down as he has more of a physical presence ball in hand and has a much more direct running style which is better suited to unlocking defenses at test level.
The big issue is the distance on our kicking game (and the chip kicks, but that's not a Beauden problem, Jordan was the first guilty player trying that on the weekend, so that's gameplan). When we have Ratima starting with Beuaden that really exacerbates the problem. Roigard helps in that regard, but our poor clearances are putting us under a lot of pressure.
