All Blacks v Argentina I
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.Early days - but, shifting Vaa'i to 6 might be a masterstroke - our own version of PSdT.
At full strength (soon, but maybe not yet), we could go:
Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Holland, Barrett, Vaa'i, Savea, Sititi
deGroot, Taukei'aho, Newell, Tuipolotu, Parker, Lakai (6/2 split if we want it)For now, probably Finau and Jacobson for Parker and Lakai.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.From memory we played them last year on about 40 percent possession , not enough ball in reality , it may have worked in the past,
I suspect if we can even the possession stats we will have them very concerned
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@kiwiinmelb Add in Sititi and Roigard and things are sweet.
Flyhalf is a major problem area though. -
A Clarke Love Jordan combo could be spicy.
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Regardless of anything we are in a much better position than we have been in for years JOY
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@BerniesCorner it’s not really. We’ve got the greatest super rugby player of all time coming back next year
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@Chuck72 Razors not shifting Will Jordan for anyone. Prime Christian Cullen maybe.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner it’s not really. We’ve got the greatest super rugby player of all time coming back next year
All Blacks are gonna be favourites to win Super Rugby that's for sure
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chuck72 Razors not shifting Will Jordan for anyone. Prime Christian Cullen maybe.
Cully can go to centre and fix the problem there....
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@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It takes some effort to play in four All Blacks Test wins and never impose yourself on a game.
Took Vaa'i more than that, to be fair.
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Random thoughts:
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Don't go for blaming just Christie for Argentina getting back into the game. Things went to poo collectively. And lets face it, he;s probably no. 5 in the pecking order
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Liked the way we battled back and scored two tries by doing the basics well. If that was an on-field leadership, kudos to Ardie as it wasn't coming from Scott Barrett.
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Agree with all the comments about the backs playing too fast/flashy. Who runs the backline? Is anyone running the backline? Can;t expect a rookie 13 to shine playing in that environment. Nor Roigard to manufacture a magically transformation. Serious work needed,
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ALB was awful. Admire his loyalty after being fucked around by coach after coach but he really should hang up his boots
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We really have some depth in the tight 5. Think we'll have a settled Vaa'i/RD/Wallace combination by the end of the RC. Can't wait.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It takes some effort to play in four All Blacks Test wins and never impose yourself on a game.
Took Vaa'i more than that, to be fair.
Due to injury Vaai had to start his 2nd test at lock in an Eden Park Bledisloe (after Wallabies drew test 1 the week before) as a 20 year old and he had a fine game - second test of the Foster era
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@Chuck72 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I don't understand the desire of some to move Jordan to wing to accommodate love. Jordan is one of our few world class players and needs as many minutes at 15
Love on the right wing is definitely worth a try though
Keep Jordan at fullback and move Love to 10.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It takes some effort to play in four All Blacks Test wins and never impose yourself on a game.
Took Vaa'i more than that, to be fair.
Fuck me, there's some weird revisionism going on when it comes to Vai'i. He had a good first season in black. I think his anti-fluffer on here (can't remember who it was) did a good job convincing everyone he was always crap.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Gregor Paul in the NZ Herald has astutely summed up the problem - which has been evident for a while now but which the coaches, with the ‘brand’ ambition to play thousand-mile-an-hour rugby, refuse to confront.
In other words, while they now have a forward platform and set-piece game as good as anyone, the coaches are undoing the good work with their pressure on a below average (by AB standards) backline to play at such a speed that it sacrifices precision, efficiency and cohesion.
“The obvious gulf between the coaching vision and the team’s ability to produce it leaves the All Blacks in a fascinating quandary about whether to pull back from this notion that they can run opponents off their feet and to lean more heavily into slowing things down and playing around their set-piece strength,” Paul writes.
“As unimaginable, or even unpalatable as it is, the All Blacks have to consider giving up on their goal of being the world’s great entertainers and accept that their pack has the core skills, size and technical proficiency to crush the life out of opponents.”
There can be a happy medium. We can still play expansive rugby, but we should pick and choose the right time
Yes, i have thought for some time - and we have talked about it here - that this hame st extreme pace is silly in todays game.
Accuracy is more important as is the ability to vary the game and not be predictable.
Look how well we went when we kept it in the forwards for ST’s tries. But we also did well in the first half with width.
Varied game plan executed well will have teams not knowing how we are going to attack them will be far more potent and succesful approach than trying to play helter skelter rugby that breaks down after a few phases
