All Blacks v Argentina I
-
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Gregor Paul in the NZ Herald has astutely summed up the problem - which has been evident for a while now but which the coaches, with the ‘brand’ ambition to play thousand-mile-an-hour rugby, refuse to confront.
In other words, while they now have a forward platform and set-piece game as good as anyone, the coaches are undoing the good work with their pressure on a below average (by AB standards) backline to play at such a speed that it sacrifices precision, efficiency and cohesion.
“The obvious gulf between the coaching vision and the team’s ability to produce it leaves the All Blacks in a fascinating quandary about whether to pull back from this notion that they can run opponents off their feet and to lean more heavily into slowing things down and playing around their set-piece strength,” Paul writes.
“As unimaginable, or even unpalatable as it is, the All Blacks have to consider giving up on their goal of being the world’s great entertainers and accept that their pack has the core skills, size and technical proficiency to crush the life out of opponents.”
There can be a happy medium. We can still play expansive rugby, but we should pick and choose the right time
@canefan Yes, but I think that’s his point. It’s always going to be a little bit of playing to the game plan and playing what’s in front of you. The backs look like they’re being over-coached to the point they don’t trust their own instincts. I think something is fundamentally wrong in the coaching setup.
-
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack. -
@brodean cant say i’m fully sold on Proctor myself but what i am saying he deserves a full season to bed in
Besides i dont see too many other options staring us in the face
It would be pointless going back to Reiko if your trying to develop your attack i just dont see the guy as natural distributor and hes played plenty of rugby at 13 for both the Blues and the ABs .
If we have losses where theres disfunction in those particular areas by all means make changes but in the mean time no need to change Proctor imo
Just for the record whom would you bring in ?@Steven-Harris said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@brodean cant say i’m fully sold on Proctor myself but what i am saying he deserves a full season to bed in
Besides i dont see too many other options staring us in the face
It would be pointless going back to Reiko if your trying to develop your attack i just dont see the guy as natural distributor and hes played plenty of rugby at 13 for both the Blues and the ABs .
If we have losses where theres disfunction in those particular areas by all means make changes but in the mean time no need to change Proctor imo
Just for the record whom would you bring in ?I agree. He's shown at SR level he has the capability, I feel it's worth more time in the saddle to see if he can steadily improve.
Dumping him now would surely destroy his confidence.
The player that most needs to be put on the pine is the one player they won't: Ardie Savea. Why aren't we discussing his "impact" more openly? Or is it enough he didn't try another chip kick in our own 22?
-
Love needs to be in the 23.
We need to experiment.
Love to 15 /10 or wing Do some goal kicking.
Give DMac game time.
Jordan swap at times to wing
Give Proctor more time
Aimless kicks are a nightmare -
Gregor Paul in the NZ Herald has astutely summed up the problem - which has been evident for a while now but which the coaches, with the ‘brand’ ambition to play thousand-mile-an-hour rugby, refuse to confront.
In other words, while they now have a forward platform and set-piece game as good as anyone, the coaches are undoing the good work with their pressure on a below average (by AB standards) backline to play at such a speed that it sacrifices precision, efficiency and cohesion.
“The obvious gulf between the coaching vision and the team’s ability to produce it leaves the All Blacks in a fascinating quandary about whether to pull back from this notion that they can run opponents off their feet and to lean more heavily into slowing things down and playing around their set-piece strength,” Paul writes.
“As unimaginable, or even unpalatable as it is, the All Blacks have to consider giving up on their goal of being the world’s great entertainers and accept that their pack has the core skills, size and technical proficiency to crush the life out of opponents.”
@His-Bobness just need a decent 10 who knows how to manage this game plan. Oh wait he’s coming back soon.
-
One or two fullas need to retire
-
@His-Bobness just need a decent 10 who knows how to manage this game plan. Oh wait he’s coming back soon.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@His-Bobness just need a decent 10 who knows how to manage this game plan. Oh wait he’s coming back soon.
Dan's a bit old for a comeback.
-
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.Early days - but, shifting Vaa'i to 6 might be a masterstroke - our own version of PSdT.
At full strength (soon, but maybe not yet), we could go:
Williams, Taylor, Lomax, Holland, Barrett, Vaa'i, Savea, Sititi
deGroot, Taukei'aho, Newell, Tuipolotu, Parker, Lakai (6/2 split if we want it)For now, probably Finau and Jacobson for Parker and Lakai.
-
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.From memory we played them last year on about 40 percent possession , not enough ball in reality , it may have worked in the past,
I suspect if we can even the possession stats we will have them very concerned
-
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
It's luvly jubbly having a forward pack. It's been a long time coming.
I feel we can now go toe to toe with the SA pack.From memory we played them last year on about 40 percent possession , not enough ball in reality , it may have worked in the past,
I suspect if we can even the possession stats we will have them very concerned
@kiwiinmelb Add in Sititi and Roigard and things are sweet.
Flyhalf is a major problem area though. -
A Clarke Love Jordan combo could be spicy.
-
-
Regardless of anything we are in a much better position than we have been in for years JOY
-
@kiwiinmelb Add in Sititi and Roigard and things are sweet.
Flyhalf is a major problem area though.@BerniesCorner it’s not really. We’ve got the greatest super rugby player of all time coming back next year
-
I don't understand the desire of some to move Jordan to wing to accommodate love. Jordan is one of our few world class players and needs as many minutes at 15
Love on the right wing is definitely worth a try though
-
@BerniesCorner it’s not really. We’ve got the greatest super rugby player of all time coming back next year
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@BerniesCorner it’s not really. We’ve got the greatest super rugby player of all time coming back next year
All Blacks are gonna be favourites to win Super Rugby that's for sure
-
@Chuck72 Razors not shifting Will Jordan for anyone. Prime Christian Cullen maybe.
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Chuck72 Razors not shifting Will Jordan for anyone. Prime Christian Cullen maybe.
Cully can go to centre and fix the problem there....
